Angel Of Death

**Unlikely Doc** · 18-04-2008, 09:43 PM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MU3VMuEAxY0

let modern psychiatric medicine explain this

**!PsyChirurgus!** · 18-04-2008, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by Unlikely Doc

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MU3VMuEAxY0

let modern psychiatric medicine explain this

Angel of 'Death'? Abdulrahman Al-Shoaibi did not die, by the way.

The Hajer (one of the Saudi Arabian football clubs) player had a seizure because he was hit in the side of the head. He had to be taken to hospital, but he was absolutely fine and didn't spend the night there. In fact, he played the very next game for Hajer.

Neurologists deal mainly with epileptic seizures like these, and not psychiatrists.

Anyone who believes that there is such thing as an 'Angel of Death' has either got issues in their head or is just plain weirdo.

I've seen this clip two years ago. I was actually shocked and a bit bemused when I first saw this. Thanks for linking this though.

**Touche** · 18-04-2008, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by Unlikely Doc

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MU3VMuEAxY0

let modern psychiatric medicine explain this

Fits are caused by abnormal electrical activity in the brain. There is often a focus for this activity (e.g. a tumor or a bleed).

A knock can transmit around 20J of energy in to tissues. Hence why a praecordial thump can be used to get people out of abnormal heart rhythms in some circumstances rather than shocking them with a defib.

If you have energy going in to the brain caused by this whack, it can act as a trigger and the abnormal electrical activity propagates causing a fit. This is similar to how flashing lights can act as a trigger for epileptic fits as abnormal signals propagate. I've seen a lot of people who have had fits after falling over and knocking their heads. NICE guidelines for head injuries suggests a CT scan to exclude a bleed in cases where a head injury is associated with a fit.

Good enough explanation?

Originally Posted by !80s Love Child!

...Anyone who believes that there is such thing as an 'Angel of Death' has either got issues in their head or is just plain weirdo.
...

Edit: That's quite insulting. Many christians, muslims and jews believe in an angel of death. Who are you to call them weirdos? You say you were 'shocked and a bit bemused' when you saw this... many religious people might seek religious meaning in something they don't understand. If you started calling your patients weirdos or refering them to psych because they looked to religion for meaning and strength to cope with their new diagnosis of cancer you'd not be a very popular doctor.

**!PsyChirurgus!** · 18-04-2008, 11:41 PM

Touche,

You sure know your thing

...and I'd be worried if you don't. Hehe

Originally Posted by Touche

That's quite insulting. Many christians, muslims and jews believe in an angel of death. Who are you to call them weirdos? You say you were 'shocked and a bit bemused' when you saw this... many religious people might seek religious meaning in something they don't understand. If you started calling your patients weirdos or refering them to psych because they looked to religion for meaning and strength to cope with their new diagnosis of cancer you'd not be a very popular doctor.

Actually, I stand corrected. I forgot to take into account cross-cultural differences relating to religious views. I myself am a Christian, and the term 'Angel of Death' is in the Bible.

I was 'shocked and a bit bemused' because I did not know how to explain that event, not because I immediately believed that his soul was taken by an angel of death. Let's get that clear. Lol I'm sane really...I think. Haha.

What I was implying was that whosoever restricts their explanations solely to the Angel of Death is ignorant of other objective explanations such as science. It's all about respecting spiritual views, isn't it.

May Holy Moses forgive my soul.

**Dr Noodle** · 18-04-2008, 11:47 PM

Why would psychiatric medicine explain that? Apparently he suffered a seizure but was able to play the next day. Would neurology not be better?

EDIT: whoops others got in before. Did a search after watching that video and wound up on an Islamic forum where one member posted a link to the blog of an American investigative journalist who claims Israel are responsible for the 9/11 attacks. How's that for a conspiracy theory!

**NorthernLight** · 19-04-2008, 12:41 AM

Unlikely Doc has one of the most appropriate user names on here . . .

**Dr Noodle** · 19-04-2008, 01:03 AM

Oh come on, it's an easy enough mistake to make when you're not a med student yet.

**NV05** · 19-04-2008, 01:13 AM

Simple tonic seizure (no clonic phase shown) caused by random synchronous discharge of neurones which can be induced by many things including trauma, drugs, haemorrhage or can be an acquired idiopathic channelopathy.

Shame all the work of organisations such as Epilepsy Action haven't quite reached to everyone.

**.: Hope :.** · 19-04-2008, 01:32 AM

Neurology is amazing. God is even more so.

**Dr Noodle** · 19-04-2008, 02:24 AM

Originally Posted by NV05

Simple tonic seizure (no clonic phase shown) caused by random synchronous discharge of neurones which can be induced by many things including trauma, drugs, haemorrhage or can be an acquired idiopathic channelopathy.

Shame all the work of organisations such as Epilepsy Action haven't quite reached to everyone.

Well they won't if they word it that way.