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Old 23-06-2008, 12:09 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Shall I do it?

It's been inspiring to read all the threads, it's really helping me to shape my thoughts about medical training. I'm a 30 year old clinical psychologist, married and hoping to start a family soon. How realistic would it be to start medical training in the next five years or so, with a potentially tiny baby (or two!)? I have a very supportive husband, but not much family close by. People have mentioned work experience - I work in a hospital with huge amounts of discussion and consultation with doctors - does that count? I would love to hear if others have made the leap from psychology to medicine and survived (not been snubbed for being too fluffy!).

Any thoughts/comments would be really appreciated.
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Old 23-06-2008, 12:28 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Wow, I thought I had a dilemma. I'm 24 form Nottingham, have worked in the nhs in the past but am now finishing a forensic science degree and I keep thinking I really wanna do Medicine but is there enough time and can I do it?

Looking at ur background I say you deffo should, just ask ur self 'In 5 yrs time when I could possibly be qualifying would I regret it if I don't do it?

My answer to that was yes (but still nervous about if I'm cut out for it).

I know I've not really given you an ounce of advice bit its nice to hear other peoples concerns.

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Old 11-07-2008, 04:48 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I'm a 30 year old clinical psychologist, married and hoping to start a family soon. How realistic would it be to start medical training in the next five years or so, with a potentially tiny baby (or two!)? I have a very supportive husband, but not much family close by. People have mentioned work experience - I work in a hospital with huge amounts of discussion and consultation with doctors - does that count? I would love to hear if others have made the leap from psychology to medicine and survived (not been snubbed for being too fluffy!).


Hi there

We have similar situations, i am a 27 yr old Nurse, who plans on applying for medicine this year for 2009( will be 28 if i get a place), getting married within the next year r two providing finances. Want to start a family before i reach 35 thats for sure.

Its very tough and there have been many threads on here dedicated to people of our age who our all facing the same difficulties, guess its the fact we are women and we are the child bearers that make it a little harder. I think it's a personal thing, if you have a supportive husband and financially you could both cope on one wage then whatever happens if you want it enough you will deal with it!

In regards to your background i am sure that your experience is more than sufficent, you are a clinical psychologist for starters whichs means interactions with patients and working within MDT's and youd have a fair idea of how the psych side of medicine runs. Is it psych you'd want to specialise in? It is a little easier in regards to quality of living, ability to train part-time (well some others do that to) etc etc. All the things that would help you out if you were trying to raise small children. i know alot of doctors who have gone into it for this reason.

One more thing i know first hand how hard it is to become a clinical psychologist with a close family member eventually having to give up as the opportunties where not there, you need experience to gain a place on courses and if you dont have experience already you cant get the jobs to get experience what a nightmare.... What im saying is you have climbed your way up a very difficult ladder so you have got the determination it takes to persue whatever you want!! well done!!

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Old 12-07-2008, 10:37 PM   #4 (permalink)
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It's been inspiring to read all the threads, it's really helping me to shape my thoughts about medical training. I'm a 30 year old clinical psychologist, married and hoping to start a family soon. How realistic would it be to start medical training in the next five years or so, with a potentially tiny baby (or two!)? I have a very supportive husband, but not much family close by. People have mentioned work experience - I work in a hospital with huge amounts of discussion and consultation with doctors - does that count? I would love to hear if others have made the leap from psychology to medicine and survived (not been snubbed for being too fluffy!).

Any thoughts/comments would be really appreciated.

I am 34 years old and not a psychologist by the way , meaning that I do not have the tools you have to investigate myself and my needs lollll

But here is a part of my story, briefly:
1-Born outside UK from an ileterate family who do not speak English, not even french correctly
2-Spent my life seeing my father struggling to bring food at the end of the month for years. I guess you can imagine how frustrating one can feel to see his parents always wondering "why is life this way"...anyway..
3-at the age of 21 left home to sort myself out of misery
4-age of 25 set sails overseas for 8 years to realize my dream of studying
5-did not see my parents for 4.5 years, no family at all around me
6-first years I used to sleep in a studio full of insects that used to wake me up so I can go to school lolllll (believe me I was not laughing at that time...I would have put lolll behind my feelings)
6'-I used to go to some churches to get 5kg bread for less than one pound
7-finally sorted out myself,but not without personal sacrifice.
For instance: I remember the day I received a picture of my father, his beard had turned white..I was schoked and even cried as it was a message to me that I had certainly missed many years beside him and my family...etc...(the purpose here is not to be a pitiful sight)
8-once I got back, everything had changed, my place was not the same as it used to be....and still today I feel so different than my family, I can even say I feel I have no family....a very weird feeling...it's like we have a common story but I became somewhat different..although I love my family from the bottom of my heart.
9-during my years overseas I wanted to study medicine, but obviously I was not in the appropriate conditions to optimize my potential so I missed my admission by 0.3 poinst only.....but I never gave up
10-For few years I worked in pharmaceutical industry, and started to see the return of my sacrifice, I had finally sorted myself out of misery and got my first salary (and believe me, pharma industry pays very well)
11-It was a wonderful feeling to be able to offer some presents to my parents, help them clear their debt and still enjoy life with great feeling of personal achievement
12-however, one ghost was still to kill before I could feel accomplished: getting into medicine
13-8 years later, I finally got in and will start this september,
years after I left home.
14-Looking back, I still remember when my meals hardly consisted of natural pasta and rice, and orange juice was a gift from the sky to me...
But damn it was worth the sacrifice...this is what I remind myself about when I sometimes feel to0 easy going, too demanding, too lazy, while I have everything I need today...
My wonderful spouse never doubted on my success, even during the times when I wanted to give up .....and still these past weeks I was wondering if I should not go back to pharma industry or in finance, but I know this is because I fear to go back to poverty, so I decided to challenge my fears once again, and push myself towards another achievement, medicine.
After all, the worst that can happen is dying lollll....
15-in regards to having a child: Do you think men are different than women? I am 34, and I can tell you I would not want til 40 to have a child, many times I wonder "can you imagine having 60 when your first child will be 20?" , believe me it's a horrible feeling I have...
The point here I think is to be honest with oneself first and make a difference between true feelings and good excuses lolll...

you certainly know what a psychological alibi is, so ask yourself if you really want to have children at 30's or if it is just a beautiful excuse for your own consciousness (alibi) not to achieve your desire of studying medicine.
do you deeply feel it's time to have a child at a point that you can not sleep without thinking of that? are you having many discussion about taht wiht your husband? is it a real issue for you?
do you really feel you should go to medicine?
which one is more important to you, "child now" or "medicine now"?
if your answer is "both" then I think you probably maintain the status quo because you are in fear of taking the worst decision....
but the worst thing to do is not to decide.

Try to see it this way:
what happens if you figure out you 've made the wrong decision?
option 1: you quit medicine and start a family , as simple as that.

option 2:you like it, get your MBBS, then have a child at 32 (which is far from being too late) and go for your FYs.

Whatever you decide, there si one thing you have to accept in life:
You can never ever take only the positive side of an issue
You have to accept there will always be negative sides to take with..
but if the ratio positive/negative is positive then go for it...

Just my 2 p....

Good luck!
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Old 16-07-2008, 02:07 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Hi Bobby Blue,

Very interested to read your thread. Can't really offer any advice but I am in a very similar (ish) situation to yourself. I too am a clinical psychologist and have a burning desire to retrain as a medic! I am 33 but I already have two children who are both young (4 and 2). I had both of my children whilst doing my doctoral training for the D. Clin. Psy and although I have no experience of having kids while studying medicine, I can say that juggling the demands of the doctorate and two young kids was EXTREMELY difficult. I think until you have children, you are blissfully unaware of just how tired you will be, not just physically, but mentally and emotionally!! You know our job can be tough, and I found dealing with all the emotional stuff at work, then having to come home to meet the demands of my kids and cope with the academic pressures very difficult. You say you have a supportive husband, and that is a Godsend and can make all the difference. Parenting truly is a job to be shared; having said that, as the mum, you will naturally want to be with your kids more and your kids will want to be with their mummy more.

I am toying with the idea of applying this year, but may leave it until next year. Where are you thinking of applying? It would be interesting to have a chat about things - maybe we can convince each other we are not mad for pursuing this!!

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Old 16-07-2008, 03:00 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I have just graduated with honours this year from a four year course. My kids were 4 and 1 when I started, I was 35. It was tricky at times juggling commitments, but I was working full time before med school, so actually found I had a lot more time at home with them whilst a student, what with longer holidays, and generally shorter days. Also, I have been really lucky having a supportive partner to share the responsibility, which makes a big difference. I also had good nursery and childcare provision. It costs quite a bit, but is well worth it for the sake of convenience. I did think about going to med school earlier, but wanted to have a family so put it on hold. So glad I did it that way round. Now they are 8 and 5, happy and in full time school. This makes it easier fo me to work full time again as doctor. I will be doing a 56 hour a week on the on call rota (48 hours by the time you start) so will be at home a lot less than in the last 4 years. Part time work is not easy to arrange in F1/2.
Having said all that, several women on my course had babies during med school and seemed to cope fine, so whatever suits really. These decisions are very individual.
Best of luck to you!
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Old 24-07-2008, 01:49 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Hi there

Only just noticed this thread and might be a bit late to contribute but anyway, I am a clinical psychologist (acute WAA) applied for medicine and accepted a place at St Georges starting this September. I have 3 kids aged 4, 8 and 14 and I am very very mature!

Happy to discuss issue of move from psychology to medicine, work experience etc (I didn't do anything over and above my normal job but made sure I tried to emphasise the transferable skills/knowledge and the little involvement I did have with non-psychiatric medicine in my PS and interviews).

Let me know if there's anything I can share that might be useful.

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Old 30-09-2008, 03:07 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I am in a bit of a quandary. I am 24 Years old in February and am wondering whether to apply for a GEM place in 2010, so I'll be 25 if I even get in. I have a 2:1 Animal Science degree from Nottingham University (specialised in human physiology), 3 A-levels at grade D (ouch!) in Chem, Bio, Maths, 10 GCSE's A*-C aswell as experience as a Health Care Assistant. I really think I need more medical experience before applying hence the waiting until 2010.
But...I have just got married and we really want to have kids. My husband is 6 years older than me & I don't want him to be an OAP when our kids are teenagers. I am constantly contemplating the 2-Medicine? Children? Medicine? Children? Should I have kids now & then apply later or apply now & have kids later? We aren't loaded so I'm not sure if we'll even be able to afford for me to study medicine once we have kids but I'm aware of bursaries & student loans. I know that I wouldn't be able to cope with having kids in medical school so that's not an option really. Realistically if I waited until I'd finished the course and my 2 years of training i'd be 31 and my husband would be 37. And even then I'd want to do my GP training or specialise.
...Think I may just have made a decision-cheers guys!
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