Number of applicants to number of jobs in first round 2008

[Arch_Angel]

So with the elimination of SHO years 2,3,4 etc, does that just leave people either on training placements or unemployed after 2 years? Where does "Staff grade" come into it?

(apparently they're big on career progression for my next interview so think it's best I find out and official websites twist words)

[Spencer Wells]

Non-training posts still exist, but obviously they don't count towards specialist training at all.

[Arch_Angel]

So, (to ask another question) what's the statistics on unemployed doctors? And what are the chances of qualifying then going straight through from Foundation school to specialist training?

[Spencer Wells]

I don't know and I don't know. Sorry.

[Arch_Angel]

Thanks anyway, I suppose I could only go so far

[DamianUK]

Don't know exact figures on unemplyment but:
Last year over 32,000 doctors applied for just over 23,000 posts.
Not sure how many then got short term contracts.

If the new recommnedations come through then it will be F1, C1, C2, C3....not sure how many C jobs there will be so can't say what it will be like once you finish your garenteed F1 job.

[sam161]

That works out at 10 applicants per every 7 place.

Despite the huge difference of 9 thousand people, that is still a small ratio. Considering for med schools it can range between lets say 6 and 20 (just off my head - based on what I can remember form medschoolsonline)

With 10 : 7, that means you might be competing against only 1 or 2 other people. In some cases more, in some cases there might not be any competition.

Regardless, I do think there need to be more places...

[pulp]

House of Commons Hansard Written Answers for 09 July 2008 (pt 0034)

Medicine: Graduates
Mr. Denis Murphy: To ask the Secretary of State for Health how many students from medical schools in the UK have graduated in each of the last five years; and how many of each graduation cohort are working in the NHS. [217107]

Ann Keen: The number of students who have graduated from medical schools in the United Kingdom in each of the last five years for which we have data is shown in the following table. We do not have the number from each graduation cohort who are working in the national health service. However, the following table shows the number of foundation programme 1/house officers working in the NHS for England as of 30 September for each year.

[sam161]

I looked at that table, and then did some percentage work:

2003 - 86% of graduates got an F1 Position;
2004 - 88% of graduates got an F1 Position;
2005 - 90% of graduates got an F1 Position;
2006 - 88% of graduates got an F1 Position;
2007 - 84% of graduates got an F1 Position;

So it's not as if it has got lower and lower all the time... and it's not as if it's never been like this before. From the percentages, you've got just the same chance now as you did 5 years ago...

I'm starting to worry less haha.

[addy1]

I looked at that table, and then did some percentage work:

2003 - 86% of graduates got an F1 Position;
2004 - 88% of graduates got an F1 Position;
2005 - 90% of graduates got an F1 Position;
2006 - 88% of graduates got an F1 Position;
2007 - 84% of graduates got an F1 Position;

So it's not as if it has got lower and lower all the time... and it's not as if it's never been like this before. From the percentages, you've got just the same chance now as you did 5 years ago...

I'm starting to worry less haha.

ALL graduates from UK medical schools that WANT an F1 position get one. Anyone who doesn't get an F1 job didn't apply or had some other reason eg fitness to practice proceedings or the like.

You are DEFINATELY going to get an F1 job, it is part of your training and it is garaunteed. It is after that what happens that no body knows.

I have a feeling my year is going to be in big trouble if we are the test year for this core training business (start F1 in August).