What is happening to the graduate docs who don't get a job

[manchester26]

With all the media claims of the number not getting jobs, what is happening with them? Do you know any? Are you one??? If so, could you share your experiences?

[newcmed85]

there arent really any unemployed doctors. no one is signing on the dole lol. there are a lack of training posts so doctors are getting stuck on the career ladder.

all medical graduates go on to work as an F1 (at the moment anyway)

[terpineol]

I've heard it said that anyone graduating after 2011 will not be guaranteed an F1 post.

[andy-P]

Terpineol would you be able to cite this please?
Andrew

[terpineol]

Terpineol would you be able to cite this please?
Andrew

"Simran,
I hope you are in the final year.
Keep telling me there is job security when in 2010 there will be more medical school graduates than FY1 posts.
Maybe they will extend the number of FY1 posts but FY2 will be a whole new ball game.

I really don't think the current crop of students realise how big the medical school expansion has been. Competition is going to be much harder...no such thing as job security anymore.
__________________"

Post 99 from 'pay' in the PRHO forum.

"The FY2 year is going to be around for 2 more years certainly. We have just been told we have our FY2 rotations. I don't think they could scrap it when some people have signed contracts with FY1 and FY2 jobs offered to them. 2010 will be a whole new ball game, there will be more graduates than jobs and it could go either way with them streaming people early for workforce planning or keeping it as a way of giving people jobs for another year."

Post 108 from the same thread

http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publications...&Rendition=Web

If we look at recommendation 23 on the commissioning and management of postgraduate medical education and training, this paints a very bad picture when the surplus of graduates is borne in mind.

Reading between the lines 22, and 24 also look very bad. Bear in mind that this is in the light of continuing expansion of undergraduate medical training in the uk.

Its all rather spurious, and with no concrete figures/plans, but it looks bad to me.

I'm currently looking very seriously at jumping ship after my iBsc or at the end of clinical years.

[newcmed85]

"Simran,
I hope you are in the final year.
Keep telling me there is job security when in 2010 there will be more medical school graduates than FY1 posts.
Maybe they will extend the number of FY1 posts but FY2 will be a whole new ball game.

I really don't think the current crop of students realise how big the medical school expansion has been. Competition is going to be much harder...no such thing as job security anymore.
__________________"

Post 99 from 'pay' in the PRHO forum.

"The FY2 year is going to be around for 2 more years certainly. We have just been told we have our FY2 rotations. I don't think they could scrap it when some people have signed contracts with FY1 and FY2 jobs offered to them. 2010 will be a whole new ball game, there will be more graduates than jobs and it could go either way with them streaming people early for workforce planning or keeping it as a way of giving people jobs for another year."

Post 108 from the same thread

http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publications...&Rendition=Web

If we look at recommendation 23 on the commissioning and management of postgraduate medical education and training, this paints a very bad picture when the surplus of graduates is borne in mind.

Reading between the lines 22, and 24 also look very bad. Bear in mind that this is in the light of continuing expansion of undergraduate medical training in the uk.

Its all rather spurious, and with no concrete figures/plans, but it looks bad to me.

I'm currently looking very seriously at jumping ship after my iBsc or at the end of clinical years.

first part is all hearsay and opinions, not fact. latter is also largely opinion and arguably irrelevant as the tories will win the next election so it probs will change

[gimperial99]

I would not get too worried about the future. As has been said above political change is coming and with it different priorities for the health service. Besides if it really got to the point where you could not get a job in medicine there would be plenty of other careers for you to go into. In my field, orthopaedics, there are large numbers of jobs that cannot be filled (non training). I think they are going to have to go back to training more people.

[atenololbeta]

I dont think there will be a problem with jobs, Government could and should reduce the number of work permits for overseas Doctors leaving more posts for home grown medics.
Also its a demanding job, and more people would like the option of job sharing, - that would give two people employment for one post

[andy2]

at present the biggest problem is rota gaps, not unemployment. The numbers of international medical graduates coming to the UK has dwindled significantly due to the lack of training opportunities for non-UK/EU graduates. This year two deaneries were unable to fill all their Fy1 posts.
I would take talk of significant medical unemployment with considerable scepticism - it would be politically difficult for a start with the NHS remaining sub-optimal. Of course no one can predict the future, but scare stories such as these should be treated with a high degree of scepticism.

[piskie]

I know that it's a long old degree, and it costs a lot so naturally graduates are a little despondant at the constant changes and increasing number of hoops that they're made to jump through, but honestly, I've never in my life met such a group of whinging, pessimistic, depressing cynics as the F1s at the hospital where I was an HCW. honestly, you'd think that they'd be happy, thay're doing the job that they signed up for. And at least there'll always be a need for doctors, when was the last time you were out and someone said 'help, it's an emergency! is there a Buisnessman in the house??'. well, despite the cynics I'm doing the degree, and I'll become a doctor, and I'll be bloody happy that I'm doing the job that I wanted to, whatever form that may take.