For those left jobless for FY1

**picallily_girl** · 23-02-2006, 06:35 PM

UCL has put the jobs out. There are 480. Also there are about 20 ish Norfolk jobs for which they will be interviews so application is separate.
Anyone who hasnt got the list mail me and will forward it.

**WMS Careers** · 23-02-2006, 07:01 PM

Hi Picalilly Girl

We are from Warwick Medical School graduate entry programme and are final years just gone through the process and are trying to get information for those in phase 2 in our year. Could you email us the job list as information here in the west midlands is scarce.

wmscareers@googlemail.com is our email and we can forward this to the relevant students.

Cheers

**picallily_girl** · 23-02-2006, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by picallily_girl

UCL has put the jobs out. There are 480. Also there are about 20 ish Norfolk jobs for which they will be interviews so application is separate.
Anyone who hasnt got the list mail me and will forward it.

Further to this quote I have seen the list on newdoctor.org so would be grateful if people pls go straight there to see it. And weep.

**prho** · 23-02-2006, 10:51 PM

picallily_girl where on the newdoctor.org did you see that?

Originally Posted by picallily_girl

Further to this quote I have seen the list on newdoctor.org so would be grateful if people pls go straight there to see it. And weep.

**picallily_girl** · 24-02-2006, 12:15 AM

If you go to:

http://www.newdoctor.org/furtherinformation.jsp

Then it says:

For a provisional post list for the 2nd Phase please click here

The "here" is in blue and leads you to the bits.

You dont have to have a log in to look at it.

**pully2183** · 24-02-2006, 08:38 PM

Just a bit of trivia my sub dean told me today. From leeds med school there were 201 applications for foundation jobs. Of those there were 17 people unmatched, 9 of whom were in the lowest 5%.

**picallily_girl** · 01-03-2006, 02:03 PM

UCL have put the scores out.
Apparently amongst people who got jobs, the top score was 32, the average was 28 and the lowest 24.
I got 27, which apparently was higher than the average unplaced RUMS student.
Can anyone who knows their scores put them up here as no one is telling us how our scores compare with other medical schools.
Thanks

**prho** · 02-03-2006, 06:48 PM

i got 24

Originally Posted by picallily_girl

UCL have put the scores out.
Apparently amongst people who got jobs, the top score was 32, the average was 28 and the lowest 24.
I got 27, which apparently was higher than the average unplaced RUMS student.
Can anyone who knows their scores put them up here as no one is telling us how our scores compare with other medical schools.
Thanks

**dodgymdap** · 02-03-2006, 07:36 PM

The introduction of MDAP (Multi Deanery Application Process) - an anonymous online job application process set up by Modernising Medical Careers - has left numerous high quality medical students without posts.

Medical students previously made informed choices prior to application based on relationships they had formed with consultants during their five years of training. In this way students could apply to work for consultants they liked and respected, in areas they may have wished to pursue as a career. Likewise, consultants could choose to employ graduates they trusted and knew to be interested in their area of expertise, taking into account reports on students from their colleagues. Positive reports from clinical placements do not form any part of the MDAP system, removing this choice from both students and consultants.

We were required to compress five years of hard work and dedication into an online form. Less than ten percent of the marks were awarded according to academic achievements as undergraduates. Some students who scored badly on the form have been told they must complete a further assessment before a job offer will be made, despite the fact that they have gained honours grades and excellent reports at medical school. This clearly undermines our medical training and is obviously wrong.

Interviews were abolished, removing the opportunity for verbal communication skills to be assessed. There is so much emphasis placed on effective face to face communication in the medical profession, yet when applying for jobs, our ability in this area is not evaluated.

We have been left wondering why we have been working so hard for the last five years. Our exam success and commitment to studies has been overlooked in favour of irrelevant extra-curricular activities. Students with low exam scores and poor attendance records could score more highly on this computerised system than conscientious students. This is very difficult to accept or understand. Has the time spent improving our clinical skills and forming relationships with patients and professionals been wasted?

The system has been strongly opposed by the vast majority of students, including successful applicants. The allocation of jobs has become a lottery, the outcome of which is unacceptable for students, patients and the NHS.

At this time, students should be focussing on finals, yet ten percent are wondering whether they will get posts. Only 530 jobs remain for the 660 unlucky applicants. For those who do get a job there is further uncertainty. Students from popular areas such as London, Manchester and Birmingham may be forced to move as far away as Scotland or Northern Ireland to ensure they can secure a job.

Those of us without jobs are of course shocked, upset and dismayed that this has happened. However, there is a distinct feeling amongst us that this is not a surprising outcome. The problems with MDAP were clear to us from the outset. As our objections and concerns were either ignored or placated with false reassurances, we could only hope that we would not be the ones to fall foul of such an ill thought out scheme. We are victims of a flawed system. MDAP does not work. Sadly, many student doctors have been left disheartened before their careers have begun.

Please email mdapstudents@yahoo.co.uk if you agree with this letter and are willing to back its publication in a major national newspaper.

MORE INFO ON http://mdap2006farce.blogspot.com/

**nukes2** · 03-03-2006, 06:24 AM

Apparently, according to the student BMA poll, 2 out of 3 final year medics still like the mdap over the system it has replaced. In my opinion i think the idea behind MDAP is right as well but it was just implemented way too fast. They should have probably let all the current clinical students run through the old system before they brought mdap in because the two systems stress on very different things. The previous system was all about communicating well with consultants you wanted to work with as a PRHO and getting good references from them and MDAP is all about having all these "personal experiences" that fit well on forms. If clinical students knew abt the MDAP process beforehand they might have "acquired" such experiences (rather than sucking up to consultants...) but not giving them the opportunity to know what the new system would be like until like 1 month before the process was kinda criminally retarded. Just my 2 cents ... dont yell at me.