Call for sex lessons at age four

[moonshine]

me too, actually.

ok so they can understand boys have penises and girls have vaginas... and what? Whats to gain from that?

[Rich' Trash]

Originally Posted by moonshine

me too, actually.

ok so they can understand boys have penises and girls have vaginas... and what? Whats to gain from that?

It figures that you would be pro-smacking and subconciously probably for the reason I've stated.

Knowledge does not need a purpose, its just a way of understanding the world around you.

[Dr Noodle]

She's obviously not 'subconsciously' pro smacking as she's admitted (consciously) that she is...

[Singh.Simran]

Let's not make this an argument on something else, although the something else seems well worth a thread (since you're all wrong, assault occasioning ABH is bad thing in all circumstances, and i need to prove this such* :P)...

The point of the matter is not for them to know the ins and outs...ahem... of everything, but presumably a beginning such that they grow up with a modicum of knowledge about, after all, the reason we are here. Self-replication. We're just one big DNA-polymerisin' sex machine...

And to be honest, as i raised - noone would really complain much were it any other field of human knowledge. So the only difference between this and maths? "Prude" factor. That children are "innocent". And frankly, i thought that died with the last milennium. Sex can be erotic but it can be also very factual.



*1. I can't, i'm going on holiday, hence the heavy hints for someone else to start the thread.
2. You have the right to a different opinion yadda yadda.

[Rich' Trash]

Originally Posted by Dr Noodle

She's obviously not 'subconsciously' pro smacking as she's admitted (consciously) that she is...

The reasons why she thinks its appropriate are subconcious. Not evidence based of course.. but rather based on the subconcious feeling that children are too stupid to make decisions or to comprehend their own actions. All they understand is cause and effect. Bad thing... whack!

I'm glad that this type of psychological analysis is largely isolated to animal psychology these days.. unfortunately it still is used with some parents. Never in adult psychology though; we never suggest that we should cause physical pain to adults who don't do as they're told.

[moonshine]

Who says i dont have evidence? i've seen evidence of a smack [not a full throttled attack, a smack] making a child think twice before running across a busy road. Maybe showing the kid a video of another kid like him/her being runover might do the job better, but probably leaves a mental scar. Which is a lot worse than a stinging pain for about 5 seconds.

'we never suggest that we should cause physical pain to adults who don't do as they're told.'
Well the stats aren't that convincing...
BBC - Press Office - World citizens reject torture, global poll suggests

anyway, sorry, to the thread at hand... i can see im not going to convince u lol, but i wouldnt want to talk about sex with my 4 year child without him/her showing an interest because opening the door to sex will make them understand other things, such as the world of perverts and paedophiles, rape and other sexual abuse. And i jus wouldnt want someone so young to be worrying about it so early in life.

If they start teaching it at school however i'd feel obliged to allow my child in on these lessons to avoid him/her receiving it 2nd hand in the playground which i do think is less likely if they're not actually taught about it.

[Rich' Trash]

Originally Posted by moonshine

Who says i dont have evidence? i've seen evidence of a smack [not a full throttled attack, a smack] making a child think twice before running across a busy road. Maybe showing the kid a video of another kid like him/her being runover might do the job better, but probably leaves a mental scar. Which is a lot worse than a stinging pain for about 5 seconds.

So would hitting them on the nose with a rolled up newspaper and saying BAD BOY! But its just not appropriate to treat people like this. Everyone deserves respect, particularly those which I love.

'we never suggest that we should cause physical pain to adults who don't do as they're told.'
Well the stats aren't that convincing...
BBC - Press Office - World citizens reject torture, global poll suggests

I meant 'we' as in Britain. Also, presumably people that agree with torture don't agree that it should be used on those they love. Husbands for example.

anyway, sorry, to the thread at hand... i can see im not going to convince u lol, but i wouldnt want to talk about sex with my 4 year child without him/her showing an interest because opening the door to sex will make them understand other things, such as the world of perverts and paedophiles, rape and other sexual abuse. And i jus wouldnt want someone so young to be worrying about it so early in life.

Oh dear, where do I begin :P Firstly, sex isnt a bad thing. Secondly, its not a bad thing to know that only certain people are allowed to touch your private areas (e.g. doctors and parents - maybe) , and if anyone else does then its wrong.

You mentioned rape and abuse but there are alot of good things that come of sex.. its not a dirty thing and its absolutely fine to learn that people that mummies and daddies that love each other very much do it.

If they start teaching it at school however i'd feel obliged to allow my child in on these lessons to avoid him/her receiving it 2nd hand in the playground which i do think is less likely if they're not actually taught about it.

I agree that its best coming from the parents rather than school.. but parents just dont bother these days with this illusion of 'innocence'. Or more to the point, the illusion that sex leads to being guilty.

Starting from September I will be tutoring a 4 year old full time. He can't attend nursery/school due to medical reasons and I'll be deciding what he's taught... I can say that it will not include sexual education :/ So maybe I'm a hypocrit in that.. but the decision is more to do with how uncomfortable I'd feel imparting that knowledge and also what the parents would think of me if I even suggested teaching their son it.

[Dr Noodle]

How else do you plan to discipline your children? By buying them lots of things and threatening to take them away if they misbehave? By talking to them 'man to man'? You don't smack children because you think they're stupid, it is basically the most effective way of disciplining an unruly child. It's what works for children.

And I'd never smack a child on the nose with a rolled up newspaper and say bad boy. As a child that sort of thing would have just made me laugh. Just a light smack on the bottom.

I can remember when I was four. Sex lessons wouldn't have benefited me at all then. At eight it would have.

What's wrong with children being innocent btw? Call me a prude but I'd rather children learned these things later on.

[Rich' Trash]

Originally Posted by Dr Noodle

How else do you plan to discipline your children? By buying them lots of things and threatening to take them away if they misbehave? By talking to them 'man to man'? You don't smack children because you think they're stupid, it is basically the most effective way of disciplining an unruly child. It's what works for children.

I see.. and does this work up until 18 birthday? Its common assault a day after, but appropriate the day before?

And I'd never smack a child on the nose with a rolled up newspaper and say bad boy. As a child that sort of thing would have just made me laugh. Just a light smack on the bottom.

Yeah, maybe an ammonia spray would be more effective. Or are we just going with social convention rather than what would logically work with your premise?

I can remember when I was four. Sex lessons wouldn't have benefited me at all then. At eight it would have.

What would be the benefit at 8?

What's wrong with children being innocent btw? Call me a prude but I'd rather children learned these things later on.

Because its a contradiction.. to be innocent means you cannot be held accountable for your actions. Children don't feel accountable for their actions - their morality is based on cause and effect. If they're not caught then its the right thing to do. This is what smacking teaches and, possibly, its the only way thats consistent with innocence.

[chicken66]

I love the idea of teaching 4 year olds that mummy and daddy love each other very much - how many families are there now where that is not true. There is no way that now-a-days you could have that lesson in school because in every class would have at least one child of divorced/separated parents.