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Old 21-05-2008, 02:03 AM   #101 (permalink)
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Sorry, I'm totally confused now. I said if you had to fund your own legal representation to appeal against compulsory vaccination, it would be an unfair two-tier system, which discriminated against parents who couldn't afford this and would therefore be untenable. You said (or so I thought) that if that were so, then there would be no such thing as a fair criminal trial. I disagreed - on the basis that legal representation in criminal proceedings is provided to all, but that that would be highly unlikely to be the case for vaccination-related legal action, i.e. they are not comparable scenarios at all to me.

I don't really get why you thought this was a joke, or what it has to do with anarchists... Sorry... probably I'm being stupid...
Not a joke haha funny, more that you seem to think that having a legal recourse for those unsatisfied with the NHS response to their willingness or otherwise with regards vaccinations is a joke i.e ridiculous, unworkable, stupid.

Wheras i think if the legal side of things (which i must say should apply to only a very few) was close to criminal than the state could easily provide representation, and more likely were it civil you dont get representation. And, as a seperate point, that most of society is government by a "two tier" system, it's called capitalism.

And anarchists were just people who found criminal justice unacceptable (as part of the point that if all these other areas of state influence are fine, why not vaccinations, arguably a very important thing).

It's probably me writing badly, not you being stupid
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Old 21-05-2008, 02:05 AM   #102 (permalink)
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is sim comparing the criminal justice system with a vaccination programme?
Insofar as examples of state input they're vary similar.

Behaviour which does not agree with what the country as a whole wants => Punishment to prevent said.

Whether that''s assault and prison, or not vaccinating and not being allowed to go to school, is neither here nor there.
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Old 21-05-2008, 03:07 AM   #103 (permalink)
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Perhaps it would lighten the atmosphere on this thread if I confessed publicly that I had an MMR jab today. lol!
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Old 21-05-2008, 11:26 PM   #104 (permalink)
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ah yeh had that a few weeks ago, first after years(!)
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Old 22-05-2008, 03:05 AM   #105 (permalink)
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I thought it was fairly light as is :P


Hmm..

I'm way late on my second hep jab. Hope i dont have to start over or anything
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start over? go to the GP(!)
i just need the 3rd now, which is in ages... i think
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I'm way late on my second hep jab. Hope i dont have to start over or anything
Late? Late?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank heavens it isn't compulsory, you might have to go to prison
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Old 23-05-2008, 04:23 AM   #108 (permalink)
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Late? Late?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank heavens it isn't compulsory, you might have to go to prison
lol! He doesn't care, he's an anarchist.
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Old 23-05-2008, 05:44 AM   #109 (permalink)
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Pft, i'm no anarchist.
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Old 25-05-2008, 05:30 PM   #110 (permalink)
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To add a new twist to this how does everyone feel about vaccines given laster in life (HPV). It gonna be rolled out pretty soon as far as I am aware. The discussions ive had arround this with people who are openly against it have mainly been parents who say it will promote underage sex. One or 2 have even said that since they are from a faith communiuty there is no need because there children will only ever have one partner.

So now its the tricky business of parents opting out not only when their children are of an age to have an opinion about it but for reasons that are not entirely based on health concerns.

For me this confuses the issue, is it better or worse to not want a vaccine due to religious reasons which at the end of the day are probably going to carry more weight with some poeple than health ones?

While im pro vaccine im also pro chice and have a real interest in human rights so really i wonder if like most other lifestyle health issues the key could lie in educaton in order to make educated choices.

Sure its likely to be the slower more round about way of addressing the issue but it doesnt take away anyones civil liberties.
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