HELP ! Will there be a job for us all ?

**yazoo** · 05-08-2005, 06:51 PM

Think positive - statistically for mature students it's prob harder to get into med school than to get a job.

**Nexus** · 05-08-2005, 07:06 PM

I’ve been reading about this problem in the papers now for the past week. I don’t know how reliable the daily mail is as a source but even today they have got another victim Ivo Dukic and Clara Russell then Yesterday it was Melissa Marlow, who graduated from St Georges and then a day before that some Manchester grad. Is it really as high as 1000 application for 1 job; I really didn’t know that- getting into medical school is a far easier probability. I don’t know anybody affected but the numbers for this year suggest that of 5400 doctors qualifying this year 2000 are believed to be out of work!!!

**Engelbert** · 05-08-2005, 07:21 PM

This is very worrying.. as a graduate doing another 5 years is a huge sacrifice and i never thought there'd be a risk of unemployment at the end of it!

I wouldn't even mind too much if i had to move abroad to US/Canada/Oz/NZ, but surely we'll be competing for those training places with graduates from those countries also.

**Daedalus** · 05-08-2005, 11:46 PM

Please see my response to a similar thread elsewhere:

http://www.medschoolguide.co.uk/foru...601#post199601

I commend interested readers to have a look at Hospital Doctor - a publication that seems to present a more cynical yet realistic view of modern medicine that some other sources provide...

http://www.hospital-doctor.com/hd_ar....asp?ID=16152#

http://www.hospital-doctor.com/hd_ar....asp?ID=16145#

**rachelm** · 06-08-2005, 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by Daedalus

Please see my response to a similar thread elsewhere:

This appears to be, with all due respect, just speculation from someone well known for being utterly disillusioned with the medical education system. I have wondered occasionally why you stick around on these forums since you've obviously decided medicine isn't for you. Why not leave the discussion to those who intend to make a career from it, and move on? Your jaded and depressing opinions aren't something we all need to read.

I know you gave up your place for your own reasons, but I don't don't think it's realistic to expect it all to be perfect and handed to you on a plate from the day you get your offer.

**Jonty** · 06-08-2005, 12:55 AM

I reckon it's just the BMA trying to whip up a media-storm - with the aim of getting some kind of ring fencing set up within the most popular specialties for graduates from british medical schools, in the face of increased numbers of foreign applicants. nice of them to bother and all that, as it will make our lives a bit cushier, but all of this stuff about doctors on the dole is a load of rubbish. the worst that could happen would be having to choose a less popular specialty to work in, or a less popular area to live in. big deal.

**gonzo** · 06-08-2005, 01:12 AM

Originally Posted by rachelm

This appears to be, with all due respect, just speculation from someone well known for being utterly disillusioned with the medical education system. I have wondered occasionally why you stick around on these forums since you've obviously decided medicine isn't for you. Why not leave the discussion to those who intend to make a career from it, and move on? Your jaded and depressing opinions aren't something we all need to read.

I know you gave up your place for your own reasons, but I don't don't think it's realistic to expect it all to be perfect and handed to you on a plate from the day you get your offer.

*applauds*

**Quack** · 06-08-2005, 01:36 AM

Daedalus...

you like many thousands of university applicants have obviously thought very carefully before initially applying and commencing a medical degree..... i feel it is a shame you didn't spend enough time in hindsight to understand the realistic nature of working within the constraints of the NHS...... it would appear that you have lost focus and direction......
i gain my motivation from caring for people less fortunate than i to ensure their health and well-being.......... the very essence of medicine.
indeed, working conditions are important to each and every employee..... however the capacity to work as a doctor.... to engage the trust and faith of sometimes desperate patients while contributing to their recovery or simply just comfort is one of the most rewarding aspects of the job.......

i understand that your opinion may be based on a 'devils avocate' approach however i feel strongly to some of your previous comments and felt it appropriate to reply.

i commend your brave decision to refuse to continue with your medical training...... a good doctor needs to be fully commited and be prepared to sacrifice many things often in return for nothing and normally at detriment to their own lifestyles.

gud luck with your future career

**DH2005** · 06-08-2005, 02:04 AM

I thank Daedalus for what he's said.

Are we so sensitive that we cannot stomach a sensibly-reasoned critique of the Health Service? So much poorly-reasoned horse-shit is touted on this website without the slightest opposition yet, when someone tackles an issue of this poignancy, rather than debate the root of its cynicism we quickly dismiss it, in the hope that it will make it less likely to be true.

I am Hell-bent on being a doctor and I hope and believe that this year's farce will resolve itself quickly, but Daedalus has raised a number of worthy points. Let's give these points the same consideration that we'd give to people who say "it'll be sorted by 200x".

**gonzo** · 06-08-2005, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by DH2005

I thank Daedalus for what he's said.
Are we so sensitive that we cannot stomach a sensibly-reasoned critique of the Health Service? So much poorly-reasoned horse-shit is touted on this website without the slightest opposition yet, when someone tackles an issue of this poignancy, rather than debate the root of its cynicism we quickly dismiss it, in the hope that it will make it less likely to be true.

I think Daedalus' post was dismissed due to his less than rosy reputation on this forum, not because of a lack of willingness to discuss the issues.