Trainee doctor from LEEDS jumped to his death after failing exams--omg when ws ths??

[Gizmo says -]

psychology isnt wishy washy. its deadly useful.

it contributes massively to the economy, in business, management, society, media, halthcare promotion and in healthcare counselling and would ave contributed massively to this poor dead medics life if he had embraced it earlier in the form of lifestyle management.

Generally, medics often tend to see psyche as wishy washy becos they used to dealing wif sciences, and they often dont ave the mental ability to deal wif its issues.....but a few years into work will change this view when they realise they can stop most of the illnesses they encounter wiffout resorting to a single drug for the majority of patients. PLenty of them wont even realise that, mind.

[Muffin2]

Originally Posted by Gizmo says -

psychology isnt wishy washy. its deadly useful.

it contributes massively to the economy, in business, management, society, media, halthcare promotion and in healthcare counselling

i prefer to call this brain washing and subliminal advertising.

Originally Posted by Gizmo says -

Generally, medics often tend to see psyche as wishy washy becos they used to dealing wif sciences, and they often dont ave the mental ability to deal wif its issues.....but a few years into work will change this view when they realise they can stop most of the illnesses they encounter wiffout resorting to a single drug for the majority of patients. PLenty of them wont even realise that, mind.

well giz, given your reluctance to tell anyone what you do and where you do it, i'd say you need a shrink

[Gizmo says -]

Originally Posted by Muffin2

i prefer to call this brain washing and subliminal advertising.

ahh, macca, qed.

well giz, given your reluctance to tell anyone what you do and where you do it, i'd say you need a shrink

no macca, no. i am small enuff cheers.

[Muffin2]

yup, definately need to go see someone giz :P

[NorthernLight]

Originally Posted by Muffin2

erm i think you'll find when you start your medical degree that all mental illnesses do have a chemical/biological/physical cause. it was the first thing we were taught when we first did psycology of health behaviour.
we may not know the exact underlying pathology, but its there, it just hasn't been discovered yet. theres a lot of that in medicine.

I think it might be more accurate to say that often mental illness seems to go hand in hand with certain biochemical and physiological changes . . . but "cause" and "effect" aren't always clear. To say that there's stuff we haven't discovered yet and at the same time to assume that when we find it, it will be a simple case of chemical cause=psychological effect and not the other way around is an assumption too far IMHO.

[waveygravey]

I dont know any asian students (there are v few at my sixth form), i just want to know whats up with this view asian parents push their children into medicine. is this really true? or instead a stereotype?

[Muffin2]

yeah its true. rather a lot admit to having the decision about what they study influnced by their parents, its not all though.

[waveygravey]

Really. Wow thats unforunate. I was going to say "sad", but then again free will still exists and medicine is an awesome course
(or it will be if i ever get there)

[HopefulMedic111]

I cant help thinking there is more to this than failing exams. Lots of people fail exams all the time, and its not easy to cope with but many people do. This chap cannot have been living a happy existence, be it for watever cause, and after the stress and rejection of failiure cutting short his life must have seemed like the only option. Uni's always like to mention the in house consillor and its often over looked but it is vital that we TALK when we are not happy. Be it frustration about peope being rude to us, or deeper things. And we need people to be there for us to listen when we need to talk.

[nd1008]

Originally Posted by waveygravey

I dont know any asian students (there are v few at my sixth form), i just want to know whats up with this view asian parents push their children into medicine. is this really true? or instead a stereotype?

Very true and I am asian myself. I'm quite impressed that Gizmo knows about the stereotype (and just out of curiosity, how do you know about the sterotype?); while it may seem "harsh" etc., it does show that parents should never coerce children into doing medicine because it is "presitigious" and "looks good". The prospective medic must know the massive problems you could encounter as a medic. As well as that, he may have been very fearful of the consequences and the disappointment that would ramify from his parents finding out about it, and couldn't bear living with that. I'm not sure if the latter could qualify as any reason for his suicide but it may well have contributed to his mindset. Of course these are just possibilities.

From my experience, so called "typical asian parents" seem to be preoccupied with education and how their children are viewed in "society"; education is pretty much the first topic that transpires in any conversation tbh. Of course they want the very best for their children and they believe that the means by which they would do well in life is to focus only on education and study a presitigious subject. Again from my experience the most "presitigious" job is being a doctor and the way in which they generally regard medicine is quite frankly, ridiculous. If somebody has been pushed all their life to do medicine, even if they really didn't want to, and this was accepted as the norm for their parents, imagine what would be the consequence if that hard work 'ended' in an instant.