Why Are Manchester and Keele dealt with under 1 application?

[wannadomedicine]

This has always really confused me
Does anybody know why they have this sort of alliance with Keele?!

[Engelbert]

Hi wannado..

Well it used to be that a certain amount of manchester applicants would be assigned to keele university and would study i think the first 3 years there. This is still what happens now at newcastle/durham. However for septemer 2005 intake, Keele have their own admissions system so you apply directly to Keele and study there if accepted. It is now a completely separate institution to manchester uni however, the course you study is the same as manchester's and you are awarded a uni of manchester degree at the end of it. I think from 2007 onwards Keele will award it's own degree.

This is certainly a good thing for Keele applicants this year as it removes much of the competition for places as manchester is hugely popular!

[qash786]

Exactly wot i was going to say!! :roll:

thx engelbert :lol:

[AndyR]

It used to be that starting 3 years ago some year 3 manchester medics were sent here to do their clinical years they are now year 5's and this years year 3 are the last lot to come from manchester. Last year was the first intake of just keele students as the preclinical building has just opened. Anyone who starts the course before 2007 (i think) will get a manchester degree as we are doing the manchester course.

[j00ni]

Actually some of this year's year 2 students will be shipped off to keele in August. But this is the last year.

[AndyR]

fair enough, learn something new everyday.

[theweakestlink]

Hi,

I am 3rd yr Keele just now on Manchester course and a hell of a lot of St Andrews peeps got sent here.

There are also a hell of a lot of St Andrews folk entering next year.

Was a bit annoying seeing we entered a course with the prospect of Manchester. As I am sure the Manchester folk agree being papped out of Manchester after first 2 yrs.

Oh well, C'est la vie!

[DH2005]

Hiya,

if anyone's still following this thread, could I get a clarification of exactly what the nexus between Manchester, Keele and St Andrews is?

I love Manchester - I have many friends and a mid-term girlfriend up there, and I'd kill to study medicine in Manchester (possibly an unfortunate choice of language, but you know what I mean...). If I apply to Manchester, Keele and St Andrews and get a place at one of them, how long would I spend in Manchester and for how long would I be elsewhere?

Any replies are gratefully received.

Cheers.

[greyowl]

The situation is thus:

The Manchester course is split into pre-clinical/Phase I (Years 1 & 2) and clinical/Phases II & III (Years 3, 4 & 5). Up until 2002, the pre-clinical phase was taught in Manchester at the Stopford Building, and the clinical phase was taught at one of three "base hospitals" in Greater Manchester (Manchester Royal Infirmary, Wythenshawe Hospital and Hope Hospital) - with some students spending some time in various DGHs in the north-west of England, including at North Staffordshire.

Students at St Andrews spend 3 (or 4) years in St Andrews, doing pre-clinical studies leading to the award of a BSc. If they successfully complete this, they are accepted into Phase II of the Manchester course, and study at one of Manchester's base hospitals, eventually being issued a medical degree by Manchester University after 3 years study in Manchester.

In 2002, North Staffordshire Hospital became a "base hospital" for the Manchester course, therefore accepting students who had done their pre-clinical course at either St Andrews or Manchester to do their clinical course in Stoke-on-Trent, in a similar way to Manchester's other base hospitals. These students follow Manchester's curriculum, sit Manchester's exams and are officially students of Manchester University, and will eventually be awarded a degree by Manchester University. However, they are taught by members of staff employed by Keele University, and are also students of Keele University (meaning they can use Keele Students' Union, and live in Keele University accommodation, etc).

Students from either Manchester or St Andrews (about 50:50 split) are still being accepted to do their clinical course in North Staffordshire - the "Manchester degree at Keele".

In 2003, Keele started also teaching Phase I (Years 1 and 2) of the Manchester course, and therefore there are students who are doing their whole degree in North Staffordshire, but are officially Manchester students.

In 2004, Keele accepted first year students to start the "validated course" - these are students who are officially students of Keele University and will spend their whole 5 years in Keele, but who are studying for a degree which is validated by Manchester University. These students are all in 1st year this year.

Therefore the current students in Keele are as follows:
-Year 1 - Keele students who will have degree validated by Manchester
-Year 2 - Manchester students who will do whole course in Keele/North Staffs
-Year 3 - Manchester students who did pre-clinical in Manchester/St Andrews
-Year 4 - Manchester students who did pre-clinical in Manchester/St Andrews
-Year 5 - Manchester students who did pre-clinical in Manchester/St Andrews

Next year (2005 entry) Keele will be accepting first year students to do the validated degree, and will also be accepting students from Manchester and St Andrews to go into Year 3, joining those students who did the pre-clinical in Keele.

In 2006, those who started the validated course in 2004 will reach Year 3, and I think no more Manchester/St Andrews pre-clinical students will be accepted after that, although there will be some in years 4 & 5 who started previously. (There possibly may be a few Manchester/St Andrews students starting Year 3 that year, but if so, that will be the last year.)

In 2007, Keele will be starting the Keele degree, awarded by Keele University (subject to GMC approval), and taught entirely in Keele/North Staffs. Obviously the final students doing the Manchester validated degree will not graduate until 2011, so there will be a time when there is a whole mixture of students doing different courses at the university.

I think the situation is now that if you want to do your clinical studies at North Staffs and you are not already a medical student, you will have to apply to do pre-clinical at Keele, as if you apply to Manchester or St Andrews this year, you will be too late to come to Keele as a Year 3 student.

[DH2005]

Excellent detail - thanks for your help.