"Spent conviction rules top student out of medical course..."

[Arch_Angel]

Originally Posted by gimperial99

This is changing my point?

Yes...

Then you applied the fallacy of the slippery slope, going from what was presumably a moderately serious crime to two horrific ones while applying the arguments of those opposing views to apparently reach the same conclusion.

Originally Posted by gimperial99

Seeing as I have more degrees than you - honours, distinctions and a first, I would not be too confident of your challenge.

Take the GAMSAT then

So....you went to uni first (presumably not medical school), then went the easy way.....

How....academically robust of you

[Arch_Angel]

Also....you made a comment before about those not getting into medical school first.....

This doesn't weigh up

[gimperial99]

Originally Posted by Arch_Angel

Yes...

Then you applied the fallacy of the slippery slope, going from what was presumably a moderately serious crime to two horrific ones while applying the arguments of those opposing views to apparently reach the same conclusion.




Take the GAMSAT then

So....you went to uni first (presumably not medical school), then went the easy way.....

How....academically robust of you

Point 1: My arguement was that I do not really consider non longbow use to be a crime, and it is not treated as such. Robbing houses, drug dealing and paedophilia are all crimes. I was simply raising the point of where do you draw the line? Is selling drugs to a consenting adult really worse than robbing someone's home?

Point 2: When you have a BSc (intercalated), MSc, MD, and MBBS perhaps you could reissue the challenge then? So you see it does add up.

[gimperial99]

Although not a degree perhaps you should try the MRCS whilst you are at it?

[Arch_Angel]

Originally Posted by gimperial99

Point 1: My arguement was that I do not really consider non longbow use to be a crime, and it is not treated as such. Robbing houses, drug dealing and paedophilia are all crimes. I was simply raising the point of where do you draw the line? Is selling drugs to a consenting adult really worse than robbing someone's home?

You're right, it's not really a "crime", and on a seriousness of offence scale would rate very low but technically it is still illegal and your comment about medics being bastions of legality remains false. From there it's just a sliding scale, but we're certainly still on it...

The seriousness of a crime is judged by individuals thereby making it subjective, which holds true for university admissions tutors too. So everyone has their own line to draw. As above, in various conditions lack of longbow practice is worse than rape.

And no, selling drugs to a consenting adult should be legal

Point 2: When you have a BSc (intercalated), MSc, MD, and MBBS perhaps you could reissue the challenge then? So you see it does add up.

Add in DD (Doctor of Divinity) too for good measure

The fact remains that you made a comment about not getting into uni first time, when it's clear that the other way is a more difficult route to travel

[gimperial99]

Originally Posted by Arch_Angel

You're right, it's not really a "crime", and on a seriousness of offence scale would rate very low but technically it is still illegal and your comment about medics being bastions of legality remains false. From there it's just a sliding scale, but we're certainly still on it...

The seriousness of a crime is judged by individuals thereby making it subjective, which holds true for university admissions tutors too. So everyone has their own line to draw. As above, in various conditions lack of longbow practice is worse than rape.

And no, selling drugs to a consenting adult should be legal



Add in DD (Doctor of Divinity) too for good measure

The fact remains that you made a comment about not getting into uni first time, when it's clear that the other way is a more difficult route to travel

In various conditions lack of longbow practice is worse than rape? Name one.

The only reason it is illegal is because they do not have time to take it off the list of crimes. So it is not really relevant. Let me make it crystal clear, of things that if caught you would be prosecuted and receive a criminal record (that is basically most crimes), I doubt that 90% of medical students commit such acts. In fact I doubt if a majority do. You have to be upright and honest to be a doctor. Interestingly one of the issues flagged up in the Shipman case was the fact that he had form.

I agree re: drugs.

Of course my comment regarding doing a study of the different populations was slightly tongue in cheek. I am not going to attack graduates as I know many of them from my time at medical school, and they on the whole are probably better than those people straight out of school.

[gimperial99]

PS I will make the DD my next target.

[Arch_Angel]

Originally Posted by gimperial99

In various conditions lack of longbow practice is worse than rape? Name one.

Not today of course, but lack national security / military prowess of a nation relied on the ability to quickly raises a cheap army (why the law was put into place in the first place - longbow men were much cheaper than other types of medieval units thus popular with self funded armies) and failure to do so could certainly be considered more heinous than rape.

The consequences of long term breaking of this law could result in mass rape / slavery / death.

We've certainly taken an odd angle on this fella being barred...

[Singh.Simran]

Originally Posted by kotoreru

Couldn't agree more, Simran.

I would hope that anyone who gets into medschool with a tarnished record would go all out to be exemplary.

Also, apparently you are allowed to consume alcohol from the age of 5 - provided you have an adult's consent and are drinking with a meal. I tried this when I was 8 and my family got removed from a theatre, ha!

Within the home, boyo, within the home.

I believe outside it's 14 with family and a meal at the licensee's discretion and then only beer, cider, and something.

[Singh.Simran]

Originally Posted by moonshine

i don't think its quite everyone...

as has already been discussed... if you've been burgled you wouldn't call it a minor offence and if you wouldn't call it a minor offence you wouldn't want an offender treating you.

Actually, as has already been discussed, YOU think that.

Personally, i disagree on both counts. And thought i've never been burgled, i have been robbed which is close enough.