Imperial or UCL?

[Dr Noodle]

Originally Posted by alex MD

What's with all the Leicester bashing going on this year? And Leicester want AAB with an A in chem, which if you are as short sighted as you seem and feel you must rely on entry grades to determine just how good your uni is, is more difficult to achieve than other uni's who want AAB; depending on your chemistry ability.

I've noticed a lot of Leicester bashing lately too. Always thought it was one of those 'high tier' unis. Anyway I've a feeling I'm going to have to defend myself quite a bit in the future being a Peninsula student but (to save my blood pressure ) this is probably better done through actions than angry words on an internet forum.

[alex MD]

It wasn't meant as an insult and if I caused offence then I'm sorry. However, seeing as prestige and going to some of the world's highest ranking uni's seems very important to you, then how are you going to stomach working with colleagues who don't match to your ideals? In your clinical training, are you going to dismiss a consultant's teaching as below par because he went to a 'low tier' uni? Somebody I know is going to Cambridge medical school this year and it's slightly worrying that he is going to be a doctor due to the fact he seems to find it difficult to talk on a level with his peers, nevermind trying to explain a difficult diagnosis to confused patients. Uni's are different, I don't disagree on that point, but that only matters to a certain point, then it's how good you are as a doctor that takes over.

[alex MD]

At the end of the day Dr Noodle you don't seemed bothered by people who think that uni's are 'low-tier', as I'm not. I think as long as we're happy at the uni's we're going to, that's all that matters ! I for one, cannot wait to go to Leicester.

[clc26]

Originally Posted by Oxaloacetate1

Insults doesnt help you make your uni any better. I think everyone on this thread missed my point: that high level elite unis always ask for top scores on A Levels like AAA (not AAB or the like), and to discriminate even more between smart candidates, also use interviews and entrance exams. And speaking overall, places like Oxbridge, Imperial and UCL are the hardest to enter no matter how you put it. Only the smartest and most talented people enter there. And no, places like Oxford and UCL are good not because they have higher entry grades, but because they just are world-class institutions leading in their respective fields. You're the one being short-sighted as to think that places like Leicester equals the elite.

And Pammy, no uni can teach Medicine if they dont meet the requirements of GMC, but you'll fall behind others if your uni only meets the minimum requirements. Top unis go beyond that to make the best doctors. And there are people who make poor use of the course in Oxford? Such people wouldnt even have managed to enter it in the first place if they arent determined enough to do their work! If you're talking about lower places then sure there might be people who dont make all out of their course, but most people from high level places do not make such mistakes, whereas some others from lower unis well might.

And LightElf, basing success solely on your personal skills is just nonsense. If you could only enter a low-tier uni, then what you can make out of your course is also limited, not just because of the low quality of the uni, but cuz you lacked skill. Being a med student at a place like Imperial, I expected someone like you to know the reality, but I guess you're blind to it.

why are you even bothering trying to argue that you and the rest of oxford graduates etc are brighter than other uni students? if that is your opinion, so what? you have got to be seriously up yourself to come out with opinions like you have. maybe lots of people agree and quietly smile to themselves that they got into a world-renowned uni, but the difference is they are not arrogant enough to go around trying to tell everyone that. Man i hate people like you!!

and FYI leicester came top of the times (or guardian, cant remember cos i dont care all that much) newspaper for top medical schools, in 2003

[Dr Noodle]

Originally Posted by alex MD

At the end of the day Dr Noodle you don't seemed bothered by people who think that uni's are 'low-tier', as I'm not. I think as long as we're happy at the uni's we're going to, that's all that matters ! I for one, cannot wait to go to Leicester.

Me neither My stomach keeps jumping every time I think about it (though there's a mixture of fear in among the excitement there)

[Singh.Simran]

Originally Posted by Pammy

(1) Firstly, all accredited medical courses are of a standard that's high enough to produce competent doctors. Beyond that, unis emphasise different skills - so what? It would be terrible if all doctors came from one mega-medschool - don't you think having different med schools with different characteristics adds diversity, different outlooks and skills to the team in the hospital, once everyone is thrown together there after med school?

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don't say that too loud. they like polyclinics so much they might just pick up on the idea....

*furtive eyebrows*

[hoonosewot88]

Originally Posted by Oxaloacetate1

And LightElf, basing success solely on your personal skills is just nonsense. If you could only enter a low-tier uni, then what you can make out of your course is also limited, not just because of the low quality of the uni, but cuz you lacked skill. Being a med student at a place like Imperial, I expected someone like you to know the reality, but I guess you're blind to it.

You see, your setting your store by what makes a "top tier" uni by age and traditional approach to teaching. Just because a Uni teaches a more academic course than the others doesn't make it better, why can you not see this? People of outstanding academic ability will not always make the best doctors, simple observation in life situations have taught me that frequently some of the most intelligent and hard-working people have almost no interpersonal skills.
So hypothetically, a person who would be completely unsuitable for medicine, would have a better chance at getting into to oxbridge than a place like Warwick. Though of course you would hope they would not get in anywhere, the point is that these people have a better chance of getting into Oxbridge than a perfect medicine candidate (personality wise) who happened to get AAB at A level.
Different med schools focus on different strengths and qualities in their prospective doctors, and whos to say that one approach to medicine is better than another? There has been no study that im aware of on doctors performances depending on their medical schools.
As you are an Oxford man/woman then im not at all surprised you hold the opinion that you do, you worked hard to get where you got to and now because you are at this old prestigious university you develop a sense of superiority over younger less prestigious universities.
However I find it insulting that you dismissed Noodles opinion on studying at Oxbridge as him/her "not being good enough", there are many people out there who are not infatuated by the prestige of these universities and instead look for schools which they feel suit their learning style and make them the best that they can be. I personally would not want to attend an Oxbridge uni, i don't like the traditional approach to medicine and i dislike the superiority complex many of its students develop.
That's not to say i don't respect them, they are superb universities and are a hallmark for British education and research internationally, they're just not for me.
If i were given a choice between taking a place at a traditional med school such as oxford/cambridge or a more sociological teaching style such as warwick/newcastle, i would take the latter every time.
If you can take the Oxbridge tinted glasses off for a minute could you understand that some people would prefer that?

[Dr Noodle]

Originally Posted by Singh.Simran

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don't say that too loud. they like polyclinics so much they might just pick up on the idea....

*furtive eyebrows*

*considers what it would be like to study with Sim...*

*runs away hands over ears*

[Gizmo says -]

Originally Posted by hoonosewot88

With all due respect gizmo, i think its you whos being a little blind. Blindly believing that all people hiring at hospitals will hold a med school like Keele or Peninsula in the same regard as Imperial or Oxford won't make it true.

you're still being blind, mark the relevant underlines are your mistakes.
try again, mcca.

Attacking my posts and insulting me won't help in putting your opinion across to me either.

The strangest thing about you picking apart my post like that is that i actually completely agreed with you when it comes to your opinion that all med schools offer such a high level of teaching that effectively there is no such thing as a "better" med school.

i dont care about what you do agree about - thats fine...i'm not 'ere to write 'well done for agreeing wif me, eres a medal, am i?'
we might agree about a million of fings like ice creamn flavours.

i raised that particular point becos its wrong.
end of.

your mistake is trying to shoehorn the term 'many 'irers' into your belief.

[Gizmo says -]

Originally Posted by Singh.Simran

You are right, the intake and teaching at Oxbridge is cleverer.

why are they cleverer?

sems to me it would be cleverer to find a way into med skool wiffout needing to put in the extra work to get igher grades.

you'd need to be a bit dimmer to mek fings arder for yourself.