Is 6 years at Imperial worth it?if u can go for a five year course at a different?

[imanbansal]

sorry i meant - with all the competition for foundations jobs etc - ie. points as someone mentioned somewhere earlier on this thread - sorry not making much sense - in revision for exams

[baskem]

Originally Posted by Gizmo says -

lol sorri macca.
ow do you know they are all good then?

Heh...from what I've heard from doctors and students I've spoken to.... but thats true, it's not really empirical knowledge

[Gizmo says -]

aye, Basky.


Imansy - depends on wat job you are looking for, i wuld suggest.

a random bsc isnt any good applying for a random job, altough it may comfort some Bscers to feel thats the truth - if the cruth fits, use it, i say.

an area of study relevant to the post applied for wuld obviously add sum wiegght to an application in some shape or form.

[mubeen rahman]

with a physiology BSc, ill be honest, i dont think it will help that much with MTAS simply because all MBBS graduates will have covered what you will have learnt. if the physiology had a particular emphasis on something like neurology etc, then it may help with those applying for such posts, as gizmo has said.

[Titch79]

Hi there...I'm a so-called "mature" med student at good old ICL ....so thought i'd chip in here.

Yes, extra degrees (BSc/Msc/Phd) do get you extra points for the MTAS application...I wouldn't do a Phd for the sole reason of upping your points score though but if you already have a degree than this can only help...

[Spencer Wells]

Originally Posted by mubeen rahman

with a physiology BSc, ill be honest, i dont think it will help that much with MTAS simply because all MBBS graduates will have covered what you will have learnt. if the physiology had a particular emphasis on something like neurology etc, then it may help with those applying for such posts, as gizmo has said.

1) The subject that you have your BSc in doesn't go on the MTAS form, only the fact that you have one, so all BScs are equal in terms of job applications.

2) I have a physiology BSc, and it was very different from the undergraduate medical degree. I have done things in so much more detail (and now have first hand knowledge of research methodology) than was covered in preclinicals, and because of it I am a much better clinical student (i.e. I know alot more about the areas I studied, cardiac, fetal and neurophysiology, and they come up alot on the wards).

[rumble]

Im sorry but when did we ever conclude doing a BSc was useless?? Its such a recognised qualification, all proffs and many high end consultants have dallied in a bit of research when your applying for a job having that extra part to your portfolio really does help according to doctors i have spoken to at St georges, UCL and my local GP.

My sister is a doctor as well and she took a BSc because it gave her so many oppurtunities for further work and exploration (she attended 3 conferences whilst a HO, which is highly unusual as they are mostly for consultants and registrars, and her research topic is still on going) and chances to write articles, these look really prestigious on a job form. It also displays a genuine passion for a particular field and will definitely be a key aspect to a job application if your applying to work in the same field. It also gives you valuable experience in research should you want to become a proff. It also can be argued that a BSc gives you a much more in depth look into medicine and therefore means that come clinicals you have a much stronger grasp of a field.

For these reasons (and many more probably), UCL and Imperial, As well as Oxbridge with their equivalent BA, find that giving their med students an extra degree is worthwhile. Therefore please do not arrogantly dismiss a BSc when so many doctors and University institutions believe it to be so beneficial

[kem]

i fort we'd reached the conclusion that a random Bsc doesnt elp wif jobs later on. So zero reason there.

Who does a 'random' bsc? you arent assigned one you choose youre bsc on a subject of interest, and you are accepted in some cases on youre academic record within the school to the bsc. Also, a bsc might not help you much with MTAS by itself, however getting a first in a bsc or/and having a publication will help you greatly and this was told to us also by the medical school. Doing a bsc is youre best chance to have a publication which is a great help for many career paths.

Furthermore, a lot of consultants, especially the older one, seeing how todays medics basic science knowlege is not that great they definiately recommend one, and as for it not being cost effective, you get a bsc in one year instead of three, that sounds quite cost effective to me.

[ankit.kumar1]

it is a very useful degree to have, the fact that most unis run the program means that it must be useful and in demand. it gives you a bit of a chance to specialise early.

[Gizmo says -]

Originally Posted by Spencer Wells

1) The subject that you have your BSc in doesn't go on the MTAS form, only the fact that you have one, so all BScs are equal in terms of job applications.

but i find that totally incredulously incredible to believe that a random bsc is as good as a specific bsc or a specific post grad qualification /specific experience in a work role.

although the MTAS form mite be structured to not include details of the applicants Bsc, it wuld be a pretty stoopid applicant who didnt mention the details of his/her Bsc in Cancer Medicine when applying for a post in palliative medicine.
its there point to sell, and its sure that they will sell it surely, whenit comes to obtaining a post they want?




2) I have a physiology BSc, and it was very different from the undergraduate medical degree. I have done things in so much more detail (and now have first hand knowledge of research methodology) than was covered in preclinicals, and because of it I am a much better clinical student (i.e. I know alot more about the areas I studied, cardiac, fetal and neurophysiology, and they come up alot on the wards).[/quote]