PMS vs. HYMS ---- Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SeriousBlack]

they werent graduates though, they were second years I think.

[Dr Noodle]

How does one mix up second year Warwick students with newly graduated PMS students??

[Arch_Angel]

To clear this up, they were Warwick students.

An unacceptable number of students received unacceptable number of marks a few years ago.

This is quite common knowledge and was even on wikipedia at one point.

This has been rectified and has not been repeated since. Nothing similar happened at PMS.

Do your research before you slander....

[atat88]

i was not refering to the warick "fiasco".... as I said earlier my information was based on what someone else had said and I considered it to be a reliable resource. Im not a PMS slater as I too applied there!!

[yazoo]

You specifically referred to 1st graduates, which indicates 60% of final years failed to comply with GMC Good Medical Practice. That would be the first graduating class of 2007. This would have been a scandal, and given that nobody seems to have heard of it, seems very likely to be utter rubbish. Certainly, the Warwick problems were widely reported, and they were substantially less dramatic than 60% failing to comply with GMC (that statement is not meant to detract from how dreadful it was for the Warwick students concerned).
There may have been an easily sorted loophole that resulted in students initially being ineligible to provisionally GMC register, but that would not be the same thing at all!

[Mattie]

Just to clear up a few issues:
From the figures I can get; 70% of the first cohort graduated last year. This is 88 students who graduated. The year originally started with 127 in Year 1 back in 2002. About 10 students in the first cohort intercalated. Therefore 29 failed/dropped out = 23%. This is relatively few if you consider the make up of the first cohort. PMS has no reputation back in 2002 and therefore it probably did not attract the "best" applicants. Now, with the school running for almost 6 years, it has an excellent reputation and attracts some of the best applicants in the country.
Those are the facts. You can take from them what you want but the feedback that doctors in the Peninsula are giving us is that the graduates are very good. They might not have as much biomedical knowledge as other UK graduates, but they are better than most on clinical medicine (i.e. the diagnosing, clinical investigations, examinations, medical imaging etc).
It's worth noting, the course the first cohort experienced is significantly different from the one I'm going through. There have been massive improvements and I personally love the course. There is early patient contact from day one but there is also a lot of biomedical science teaching now and clinical skills teaching. We are constantly assessed and monitored and have early remediation support available. Our biomedical knowledge is probably far more developed compared to the first cohorts.
An example of the changes to the course is PBL. In the first few cohorts the PBL tutors were "non-medics" or "non-scientists". Now, due to student feedback, the Year 1 tutors are "scientists" and for Year 2 the tutors are "clinicians" - including GPs, paediatricians, resp physician, anaesthetist. This ensures you have to know your stuff inside out. They ask you questions and you can't get away with not doing the work. They can also correct you and help clear up areas of uncertainty.
Take a look on the GMC website as they have past reports of all the med schools in the UK. This might be useful.
I'm not professing PMS is perfect, however, a lot of the comments on this thread appear to be mainly based on "rumours".
Hope that helps to clarify a few issues.

[Dr-Robien]

Perhaps I'll pick up on some of the comments about living in Hull. It's brilliant living here- and I wouldn't change it for the world. York has a beautiful campus and a wonderful atmosphere, but so does Hull! Our campus surprises even the most stoic aesthetic; our weather is usually good in summer- and we have cheap and brilliant shops nearby and a vibrant night-life. I wouldn't change, given the choice to the beautiful and historic- but expensive York... both are excellent options- what more could you ask for?

Peninsula may have had some minor hoo-ha a while ago, but, teething problems probably. HYMS has maintained a fantastic record with graduate prospects as they promised, an exciting and diverse area in which to read medicine and a student:consultant ratio that would put many of the other medical schools to shame.

At a recent conference, I met PMS people, and they were amazing. Lovely guys. I think it's down to where you think suits you in the finer details. All medical schools give you the MBBS (or similar) upon completion and are accredited by the GMC and you do basically the same thing- question is; where do you want to spend 5 years. HYMS also has very active research- especially in Functional Morphology and Evolution, which I am particularly involved in. It is also pioneering HIV-vaccines, IVF research etc etc. It has massive amounts of funds being invested into the students and research. I don't know- I feel very very appreciated at HYMS. They know who I am and why I'm there. I really couldn't ask them for more.

No problems yet whatsoever.

[graemematt]

Robien, nice post but you forgot to mention the atrocious standard of football in sunny Hull :

[graemematt]

To clear this up, they were Warwick students.

An unacceptable number of students received unacceptable number of marks a few years ago.

This is quite common knowledge and was even on wikipedia at one point.

This has been rectified and has not been repeated since. Nothing similar happened at PMS.

Do your research before you slander....

Good old Warwick. Take in 200, graduate about 10. They sure do expect a lot of us

[Gizmo says -]

Agreed



I dont want to get in to an argument about how friendly the people are down here compared to up north. .

give me the norf over the south anyday. they can understand me accent and appreciate it, and that elps me get ahead in every wake of life ere.