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Old 28-07-2008, 02:57 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Everhopeful, I see from your sig you are about to start second year of med i presume. If you don't mind me asking, how much of a bursary do you get in 1st and 2nd year? I know you get quite a lot in years 3 to 5 but don't know much about 1 and 2. Also, does the RAF pay your fees aswell and do you get extra money for textbooks? Finally, how many years do you have to commit minimum after graduate? Is it 6 years? If so, does this start after completing of FY2?

If I do apply in the coming years it would be as a dentist and possibly to RN but assuming at the mo it is much the same for both careers and all armed forces.

Thankyou very much!
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Old 28-07-2008, 03:32 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Hello guys, dunno if this will help but when I went to the local Armed Forces Careers Office to talk about the University Officer Training Corps this is the advice I was given.

I was told that the best way to join the army as a medical officer in my position (starting med school in sept) would be to join the TA and as a med student they would assign me to a nearby medical regiment.

It sounded really good cos they train you in emergency medicine (and you get to go out with paramedics etc) and you have to learn what to do in case of gas attacks/nuclear attacks as well as doin drill. It's a minimum of 30 days that you get to pick (usually done over a minimum of 6 weekends) plus a 2 week block that can be UK or abroad. You can also arrange SSC's with them depending on you're med school. And you get paid for it

But I wasn't too sure because (if I understand correctly) you have to sign up for a 12 year minimum service (!), but can join RA later, and I don't know if this means you could get deployed abroad during med school (not good! )
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Old 29-07-2008, 12:04 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Everhopeful, I see from your sig you are about to start second year of med i presume. If you don't mind me asking, how much of a bursary do you get in 1st and 2nd year? I know you get quite a lot in years 3 to 5 but don't know much about 1 and 2. Also, does the RAF pay your fees aswell and do you get extra money for textbooks? Finally, how many years do you have to commit minimum after graduate? Is it 6 years? If so, does this start after completing of FY2?

If I do apply in the coming years it would be as a dentist and possibly to RN but assuming at the mo it is much the same for both careers and all armed forces.

Thankyou very much!
Hi there. In the first two years you get 4K each year, but apply early once you have an offer as it takes some months to get through the paper sift and get a date for the selection board at OASC. I think that fees aren't paid unless you have entered the cadetship, and believe that a book allowance applies then, but this is based on talking to past cadets and not in the paperwork I've signed. As a bursar you automatically get put forward for selection to the cadetship scheme (in fact it's obligatory) and the hope is that as long as you've got the right attitude, show an interest in a forces career (by knowing what your career route entails) and have a reasonable academic record then you should get picked up for the cadet scheme. The 6 yr return of service commences from GMC registration, so from the end of F1. You used to be able to do your F1/F2 in your choice of deanery but it's recently changed to being done in military hospitals. At the end of that you do your SERE course (special entrants and re-entrants) which includes docs, dentists, vicars and previously serving officers re-entering after a break of service. That course is 13 weeks. Then you do a stint of familiarisation at an RAF station, then it depends on whether you're going GP or specialism. The caveat being that your career route has to be amenable to the service you've signed up to, hence if they need only GPs then that's what you'll train as. If you don't like this idea you can choose to leave, but you're required to repay your cadetship funding.
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To be honest I've done quite some time in the military already so it's a known quantity to me, and I've been on operations in various places and see the ups and downs of a life in forces quite realistically. Oh, and I think whilst you're training as a GP that you can't be deployed into operational theatre (ie Iraq/Afghanistan), that's certainly what I was advised by a currently serving GP trainee.
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Old 10-11-2008, 08:25 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Hi guys,

Just thought I'd share some knowledge for those of you interested in medical cadetships in the army... and answer a few of the questions.

30 medical cadetships are awarded each year (it used to be 50).

If you're graduating before 2012 I'm pretty sure they aren't doing cadetships for those years.

You have to do your F1 and F2 training with MDHU (military not NHS) hospitals.

You also have to complete AOSB main board which is the standard selection for a regular army officer. If you join as a qualified doctor you can do the AMS AOSB which is easier. The selection involves passing a 'briefing' day, then the AOSB (which is tough so don't even think about applying if it's not what you really want to do!!) and then after that a 40 minute interview with some of the top dogs of the RAMC.

If you pass you are paid roughly 14 grand in your 3rd year, 16 grand in your 4th year and 17.5 in your 5th year - however this is all taxable.

If your graduating in 2012 and haven't looked into a cadetship you might be disappointed. You have to go to an acquaint visit first and then start selection... once they have enough people they won't accept anymore applicants for that year.

On qualifying as a doctor (after F1) you owe the army 5/6 years of service - this is bloody difficult to get out of so think very seriously about it. This also means that your commitment ends halfway through your Specialist Training. If you choose to leave the army you are then looking at applying for an NHS training no. and placement (in otherwords an interdeanery transfer) - this is not guaranteed! If you stick with the army and complete your specialist training to consultancy you then owe the army another 3 or 4 years of service. There are huge implications to this - once you are a consultant you are likely to be deployed more often and for longer periods of time - you will also be in your thirties etc and may want/have a family... so being sent to Iraq at short notice is quite a big deal!

As a military doctor you will most likely work for two years as a general duties medical officer which means a delay in training... so you'll be 2 years behind your NHS peers.

While in specialist training you WILL be deployed. Fact. This will occur up to twice but no more and for 3 months maximum.

As a military doctor you are limited in choice of speciality... If you're thinking paediatrics, geriatrics, Obs and gyne, oncology - don't bother. If you're thinking plastic surgery etc. there are very very limited placements. Remember the armed forces need doctors to do specific jobs so their priority is not making you happy but filling up the specialities that are crucial with regards to soldiers... Think Emergency medicine, general surgery, psychiatry and GPs.

There is no obligation for you to join the OTC at university as it may interfere with your studies. Besides, once you get a cadetship you have to resign from the OTC as you can't be paid by both. It is still a very good idea to join in 1st and 2nd year to get a taste of what it's like and to get paid for having fun.

If I haven't put you off joining, then get off this forum and get in touch with the RAMC recruiting services ffs! They are very very helpful.
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