On-call for Medical Students?

[rjm]

You're a bit slow. I obviously wouldn't know what it's like to be in denial, or that if denial is a bitch (hence the "must be" bit).

Anyway, anyone (besides rjm) read "Trust Me, I'm A Junior Doctor"? I can't believe how many night shifts (oncalls) he had to do back then. He says at the end of his book that the hours for junior doctors have changed since 2007. Is this true?

I dont know, I wonder if you are actually in denial big style since you seem to have this belief that one day you will be a doctor. You are clearly slightly deluded, maybe I should refer you to one of my psychiatrist friends, or do they only exist in my dreams too.

Hours have not change significantly since 2007, although have changed significantly since maybe 10 year agos. I would say this means that juniors are going to do less night shifts, which would be sad if you ever became a doctor, but the chance of that is so slim that you need not worry your little head about it. As I suggested originially why dont you try it out as an HCA, or a hospital cleaner because they work nights too.

[cj09]

If someone like you can become a doctor, I'm sure ANYONE else can too! See there are doctors/med students out there who are educated, and intelligent (most of them are from this forum) then there's you.

Anyway what part of "besides rjm" don't you understand? Your arrogance and immaturity are cringing therefore you're someone I don't really want answers from. Feel free to post and reply all you want, (this is a public message board after all), but just know I will not be reading it; like your previous post. All i got through was "Hours have not change..." then blah blah blah. Couldn't care less

[cj09]

Has anyone read Trust Me, I'm A Junior Doctor? And can give a reasonable answer to my previous enquiry about night shift hours of a junior doctor?

[rjm]

If someone like you can become a doctor, I'm sure ANYONE else can too! See there are doctors/med students out there who are educated, and intelligent (most of them are from this forum) then there's you.

Anyway what part of "besides rjm" don't you understand? Your arrogance and immaturity are cringing therefore you're someone I don't really want answers from. Feel free to post and reply all you want, (this is a public message board after all), but just know I will not be reading it; like your previous post. All i got through was "Hours have not change..." then blah blah blah. Couldn't care less

If you believe anything you read on the internet you ignorance is amazing...you have a lot to learn my friend.

[elles]

Has anyone read Trust Me, I'm A Junior Doctor? And can give a reasonable answer to my previous enquiry about night shift hours of a junior doctor?

I'm an FY1 in a 1b (x1.4 salary - antisocial hours but should be 40 hrs per week) rota & I have a block (7 as 4+3) of nights in each medical & surgical placement - so 7 nights per 3 months. My Psychiatry job is also 1b but made up of antisocial weekends rather than nights.

There are 1c rotas out there which might have more nights.


Like rjm, I'd willingly give my nights up right now to any keeno who wants them but might not be the safest thing! Heh.

[Gizmo says -]

nights are good when you are mummy in that middling period (when kiddies are big enough to not get stolen, but not big enough to cook a decent meal yet), and you are old enough to not really care about going clubbin'.

you go to work, go home, cook brekkie + pack lunch, go to sleep and then wake up and cook supper and go to work ehehehe!

[cj09]

you go to work, go home, cook brekkie + pack lunch, go to sleep and then wake up and cook supper and go to work ehehehe!

LOL! That pretty much sums it up.

So is the 2007 strategy of cutting down hours for the junior doctor a load of bull then? Cos that's what Max Pamberton (author) wrote in his book.

[Fried_Rice]

I don't think you can judge by that book, as I think the 48 hours thing was an opt-in thing until august this year, when it became set in stone (or was that last year it became official? The years fly by!) Either way, until this year it's been a sort of transition period for trusts to prepare to get their hours within acceptable limits, but by now they "have" to be within them. A lot of people are working unofficially much longer hours than 48 hours though.

That book is a few years old now, so I think that was before the 48 hours came into any sort of practical use.

[Gizmo says -]

ahhhh, its not 'ard ...if you dont mind working in a prison, bro-macca.

[cat_bach]

In second year at liverpool we get placed at a hospital for two days a week and we deffo dont get offered any night shifts, and there would be absolutely no point in me doing one at this point in my training as far as I can see. I just think that at the moment the only way I am of any use whatsover in the hospital is I have time to chat to bored, lonely patients and the only way that hospital is of use to me at the moment is if theres doctors or nurses or physios or pharmacists or whatever around with a second to spare to explain things in really simple terms to me and show/ supervise me doing things. At night: chatty patients sleep, less people around (and the people that are around probably dont want a second year who knows very little about anything tagging along asking ridicilous questions!). I can see how they will be relevant once I reach O&G and A&E, and how they would be a valuable experinence once Im teetering dangerously close to actually becoming a real doctor and facing the prospect of having to do them with clinical responsibility, but now? Nah, I ve got a warm comfy bed, there`s cheap crap on the telly and a pub down the road!

PS fantabulous bitching guys, made me smile : D