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**sweetie-pie** · 22-04-2006, 10:49 AM

Systems based is actually very good as well, depends entirely on the teaching, and what you put into it whatever, I'm personally not a fan of PBL (I'm into Med Ed so am not unfamiliar with it), however it works for some, not to say its better, or worse than any other method.
I personally am formally taught using systems based, the teaching is good, covers a lot in lectures, but my course also has a lot of group work based on lectures, also a lot of self directed learning based on application of this into clinical scenarios, so I felt confident going to patients both in early part of course and phase 2.
I think it depends entirely on the balance of teaching in medical school, i wouldn't say one was better than the other, except for individual people, remember how diverse the medical population is...what prepares one person well may not do the same for another, just as no 2 patients (even with the same diagnosis) are ever the same in treatment.
Confession - i also tend to pinch PBL cases from the net for revision after modules,and indeed for finals revision - downloaded loads from KCL until they stuck a password on them!

**heed** · 25-04-2006, 09:17 AM

On peut passer du temps ici en faisant un stage (soi-disant "elective") dans un service de votre choix - ils durent normalement entre 4 et 8 semaines pendant l'été. Ayant dit ça, ça vaudrait la peine de faire des enquêtes chez le fac en France pour decouvrir si il y a des liens avec un établissement ou un hôpital universitaire/CHRU (Teaching Hospital) en Angleterre, Ecosse, Pays de Galles où on pourrait passer du temps. Je sais qu'au moins L'université Claude-Bernard à Lyon a des liens avec St Georges à Londres - mais j'penserais qu'il y a bien d'autres! Voir www.anglofrenchmedical.org (assosciation dont le but est d’améliorer les relations entre les médecins en France et en GB) pour plus d'info.

à bientôt!

***WP*** · 25-04-2006, 03:12 PM

Well, personally, I love system based teaching, it's more structured, and you see the whole concept integrated. We do not only have taught lessons, but also have PBL's/case studies once a week, so the workload is quite high. I think PBL is good to illustrate the things taught during the lessons; and made students think more in the direction of pathology related to the healthy body

**An-can-you-dig-it-drew** · 30-04-2006, 04:51 AM

Originally Posted by heed

On peut passer du temps ici en faisant un stage (soi-disant "elective") dans un service de votre choix - ils durent normalement entre 4 et 8 semaines pendant l'été. Ayant dit ça, ça vaudrait la peine de faire des enquêtes chez le fac en France pour decouvrir si il y a des liens avec un établissement ou un hôpital universitaire/CHRU (Teaching Hospital) en Angleterre, Ecosse, Pays de Galles où on pourrait passer du temps. Je sais qu'au moins L'université Claude-Bernard à Lyon a des liens avec St Georges à Londres - mais j'penserais qu'il y a bien d'autres! Voir www.anglofrenchmedical.org (assosciation dont le but est d’améliorer les relations entre les médecins en France et en GB) pour plus d'info.

à bientôt!

Damn, puts my 'I know how to order wine in french' to shame...

**Hirukshi** · 30-04-2006, 12:30 PM

What are the linked universities outside UK, EU with UK Med School

I mean transferring after pre clinical or after 1st year or 2nd year. Final three years in UK med school. I heard about Med school in India , Malaysia, Singapore, or EU. But can not find more information. Which UK government organization can I find information regarding this.
Any information will be appreciated.

***WP*** · 01-05-2006, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by Hirukshi

What are the linked universities outside UK, EU with UK Med School

I mean transferring after pre clinical or after 1st year or 2nd year. Final three years in UK med school. I heard about Med school in India , Malaysia, Singapore, or EU. But can not find more information. Which UK government organization can I find information regarding this.
Any information will be appreciated.

International Medical University in Malaysia has agreements with several univ in the UK. Check this out:

http://www.imu.edu.my/

i don't thin EU univ have agreements with UK univs

**heed** · 01-05-2006, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by An-can-you-dig-it-drew

Damn, puts my 'I know how to order wine in french' to shame...

peut-être que ce soit plus utile !

**sheffieldmedic** · 09-05-2006, 05:15 PM

In Sheffield we have a systems based course that now uses PBL (although I'd be told off heavily for calling it that! - the school prefers to call them integrated learning activities whatever they are...)

Back in the dark ages when I started the MB ChB course it was 2 years of lectures and dissection from 9-5 almost every day.

I have to say it has been hard work but at the same time enjoyable! I do have a real keen interest in teaching medical students when I qualify and I must say that I believe all medical students are experts in medical education, in that during the 5 or 6 years (or 4 if you one of the new fangled grad courses) you spend at medical school you are exposed to such a huge range of teaching styles and techniques.

We tried PBL in my year group and it didnt work - the school made the mistake of trying to integrate PBL into a didactic lecture course. The conclusion was that the two didnt really mix (plus there was a large scale failure of students to turn up) so it was abandoned! Vive la revolution