4 doctors suspended due to cardiff erreo

[ash-medical]

Hi, I am the original poster and everything i have told you is the truth; i haven't gone out of my way to fabricate statistics or elaborate on facts. I have had access to the minutes of official meetings from the start of this whole mess and remain intimately linked with one of the doctors/students involved.
If you choose to disregard all i have said then by all means do, but please don't make a bad situation worse with your antagonisms.
Once again, today, we saw the whole issue replayed by the media. Once again these poor students are in the spotlight through no fault of their own. Once agin we saw the public image of Cardiff medical school, apologetic and reassuring; i know behind the scenes the 4 students have been treated abysmally....to the extent that Baroness Finlay and other sympathetic doctors have stepped in to help them.
That is the truth, and that is the true face of Cardiff medical school.

[Mamba]

If you really think your grade can't be confirmed, and that several of your fellow students may not be qualified to practice medicine as their grade may be wrong also. YOU ARE LEGALLY REQUIRED TO ACT ON IT . Is it not VITAL that you take action? With utmost haste, contact the GMC!

Forget writing in a forum.

If you really believe that people are either qualified or unqualified due to false scores, then dont let another day pass with patients at risk. You know your duty as set out in 2moro's doctors. You must inform the GMC. As you state "I'm still unsure what my actual pass mark was/is" is it not your responsibility to contact the GMC and make sure that you are qualified ?????? Will you be going to work in your hospital 2moro knowing this or are you going to take action ?

These concerns are serious, they are not for a forum like this, but for public consumption. To ensure no one unqualified is working with the general public, this should be an immediate concern to you. Will you be doing this, in full recognition of the seriousness of this nature ?

You agree with the approximation that 60% of people have possible wrong scores. THIS REQUIRES YOU TO CONTACT THE GMC, if you believe it to be true or close to the truth.

I assume you will state that the GMC have already been involved etc etc. If that is the case I am sure they would not permit this. If they dont know about it, then you are obliged to relieve yourself of your position and contact them.

[angiogram]

Mamba - you're absolutely correct about the ethical responsibility of 'whistle blowing', as dictated by the GMC. However..... in the real world, many choose not to, because things like this occur:-

BBC News : 100,000 X-rays 'went unchecked'

(apologies for going slightly off-topic, but it gets the message across).

[angiogram]

Back on topic - what the GMC have got to say about it all:-

http://www.gmc-uk.org/9___Cardiff_Me...f_snapshot.pdf

http://www.gmc-uk.org/9___Cardiff_Me...f_snapshot.pdf

This isn't the first time this has occurred!

[angiogram]

Oh and about the grades, it was less than 5 people that had errors due to the database issue. The new database is already being installed.

Sorry to correct you Mamba, but there were actually 6 people that I a know about:-

Yr 5 (2008-9):
- The four that have received unfair publicity that we know of;
- PLUS someone who was informed that she/he failed but had really passed and started work about 3 weeks late, missing graduation, graduation ball etc.

Yr 4 (2008-9)
One person who was told he/she had failed yr exams, thus missing DSS/DSM AND ELECTIVE ; only to be told they had passed and to come back in September to do a shorter DSS/DSM.

People stating their is a lack of confidence in results, and their own score may be going to someone else in 60% of cases is just silly and untrue !

Nope, this is definitely true! Apparently 60-70 candidates have inaccurate marks in all. With obvious implications for Distinctions, Merits, Prizes etc etc.

There have been both internal and external investigations and I attended the result of one hearing. We are talking about no more than 5 people. However, it still is very, very, very wrong. But, this was an isolated case and deserves to be juged as one. !!!!!!

Mamba! Yes, there have been 2 investigations. However, the 'External' Review was undertaken by Cardiff University, as seen in the GMC documents..

Again, there are 6 people to my knowledge affected in Summer 2009, and this isn't an isolated case as you suggest. If I remember correctly, this has also happened in Year 4 exams a couple of years back. Promises were made then too apparently.

Lets hope the new database is better than the last!!

[InternalOptimist]

This happens a whole lot more than I could have ever guessed. It must be harder to mark exam papers then return them that it seems...

[sparky21]

Cardiff grad right here - all I will say is I wasn't surprised this happened and we had problems when we were 4th years which were exactly the same circumstances...

[Mamba]

Ok guys, things were bad. Real bad for some people. What about the future? We have a brand new Dean that seems keen to alter and change Cardiff for the good. He WANTS to hear of problems and issues sohe can tackle them.

So, do you

Think things will improve ?

Think admin will sort itself out ? (absoloute nightmare that it is even @1st yr)

Think the new database will iron these issues out ?

Think the underlying problem is deep in Cardiff's structure and therefore alot more needs to be done ?


I'll be honest, I want my med school to be improved for the person that follows me. I want to help make Cardiff University the uni it could be.

Mamba

[angiogram]

Ok guys, things were bad. Real bad for some people. What about the future? We have a brand new Dean that seems keen to alter and change Cardiff for the good. He WANTS to hear of problems and issues sohe can tackle them.

So, do you

Think things will improve ?

I don't know. I really hope so. They need to start listening more, something, they haven't been very good at even until now.

Think admin will sort itself out ? (absoloute nightmare that it is even @1st yr)

Hmmm....I hope they do..... I have exams in the summer........ As for the psychometrician and new office manager, I am yet to be convinced TBH! Sorry!

I think, they will be a lot more careful this time when it comes to excel. How long they can keep it up for I don't know. TBH, I am more concerned about the apparent inter-examiner variability that students have experienced at OSCEs.[/QUOTE]

Think the new database will iron these issues out ?

Think the underlying problem is deep in Cardiff's structure and therefore alot more needs to be done ?

I'll be honest, I want my med school to be improved for the person that follows me. I want to help make Cardiff University the uni it could be.

Yes to a degree, but I think you've nailed the problem on it's head. I (personally at least) believe the problems are a lot deeper for reasons I'd rather not go into here.

Apart from this, I think Cardiff's year groups are too large at 350+ students in a year, I really feel like a number to be quite frank. The school in it's current form is way too large to administer in my honest opinion.

I agree with your final paragraph - as a clinical student I do hope they sort things out for all our sakes.

[angiogram]

A more comprehensive summary compared to that in in BBC:-

Gair Rhydd