4 doctors suspended due to cardiff erreo

**Fizzwizz** · 24-09-2009, 12:16 AM

Is there a reason that the 72 students aren't being informed of their correct grade? I must confess to being concerned that after all the hard work I have put in I might have someone else's grade.

**Leo2004** · 24-09-2009, 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by gbsilp

If anything, I would imagine vivas are harder and is harsh. Still, it's all about damage limitation. For the record, before this news broke, Cardiff was on my if-I-screw-up-gamsat-I-will-go-for-these-one-instead list.

Absolutely, I would think a viva has the potential to be a very intense experience
which is exceptionally rigorous!

I agree about damage limitation but the real issue is reassessing competence and letting
them work again as doctors, safe in the knowledge that this issue is behind them
or at least not barring them from working.

Such a pity this could not happen now rather than in a year's time...

**voiceofmedical** · 24-09-2009, 12:39 AM

I sympathise Fizz, maybe you should ask the medical school to confirm in writing that your grade is your own.

I also know these 4 are really suffering, partly from the national exposure, partly from feeling embarassed after graduating with peers and then finding it was all a lie,mostly from the university not acknowledging how serious an effect this has had on them and is going to have on them over the coming year; everyone is going to know their story!

**voiceofmedical** · 24-09-2009, 12:44 AM

In a time when NHS services are being cut due to staff shortages, when we are forced to then poach from other countries and leave their health system in tatters, how can medical schools like Cardiff not balance the needs of students, doctors and the public and make every effort to put as many doctors on our wards as is safe to do so? Why instead charge the public £300,000 to retrain these guys for another year, essentially to rectify a mistake they have made?
Is this why they need one of the best legal teams in the UK?

I really feel for these 4 doctors, none of them deserve this

**Generation** · 27-10-2009, 07:28 AM

I think the university is aware of the issue of administrative errors. I'm not sure how knowledgeable you guys are of our administrative system but at the moment there seems to be no active online database for processing the results of examinations. As such, excel spreadsheets and manual entry seem to be used. I believe there are several panels attempting to deal with this issue and instigate modernization within the school, but it may be a while before results are seen.

I'm not sure where you got the 20% error statistic from. These were not mentioned in previous panel meetings and I'm not aware of such a magnitude of error. Could you perhaps give us a link to where you got the statistic from?

I personally passed last year but I was pretty sure I could've gotten a higher mark, having predicted about 75% of the questions that came up.

This seems to be the biggest problem our School's facing at the moment.

**voiceofmedical** · 29-10-2009, 12:38 AM

I'm afraid i can't give you a link to this info'. My friend that is fighting the medical school is in receipt of the minutes of past exam executive and exam board meetings. The info' is in these documents alone. I am sure that when he feels there is nothing else to be gained from banging his head against the wall of indifference that is Cardiff medical school he will release this info' to this website, newspapers etc. I know i would, if for no other reason than to make potential students aware of the incompetency of this institution. They are conducting an internal review at the moment and it seems new mistakes are being unearthed on a weekly basis. I would hope that the Dean that presides over such a dismal administration has the decency to stand down, he certainly doesn't deserve the job....what is the chance of that tho'

**Medicine Woman:)** · 29-10-2009, 12:48 AM

How horrible the poor things.. I just happened to glance at a transcribe of my exam results (module awards if that makes sense i.e. 1 to 6) and I noticed that they have given me two 3s where I achieved 5s . This affected my degree mark so I think I was due for a 1.1. Anyways if I'm unsuccessful this year I'll have to look into it as obviously it needs to be amended, but imagine four years after graduating I only notice it now...

As for paragraphs, I hate it when people get uptight about layout... go to Specsavers

**Generation** · 29-10-2009, 03:37 AM

Medicine Woman - you're talking about the Medical School or your own department? Each department runs their own systems of recording results. School of Biosciences is supposed to have a much more efficient database than the Medical School.

voiceofmedical - our current Dean only started in April, I'm not sure he can be held accounted for - he probably just let things run once to see how everything goes before he begins making changes. He was Head of Research previously so I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't know whats going on in terms of assessments and teaching...

I feel for your friends though.

**voiceofmedical** · 03-11-2009, 11:42 PM

ANYWAY....i'm now told that a Dame and Baroness are joining forces with the BMA to address the matter and hopefully secure some reasonable redress for these students. I also note that the medical school is holding a discussion involving medical students this week, in an attempt to promote Wales as a destination for medical study. I wrote and suggested these students be approached as their situation represents the very worst that has happened to medical students for many a year. No reply!

**sara7000** · 04-11-2009, 12:34 AM

sry if i didnt understand this, but I am not quite clear what is happening. Does the cardiff medical school not know how to MARK EXAMS? I find it hard to believe knowing this people would apply to study there.