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Old 28-04-2008, 06:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Barts GEP or Imperial GEP?

I know these threads are really annoying but if anyone can help me make a choice I would be incredibly greatful with any tips or advice you could offer! I have done my research and I find I like them both for very different reasons. Of course the Imperial GEP course is less established than the Barts one which could be a worry. Imperial has the Wellcome trust centre for tropical disease research which is what I eventually want to specialise in although Barts has a catchment area with more people who are likely to have tropical diseases and therefore I would get more experience. The Imperial and Barts hospitals are all top-class and they are both very highly rated med schools. I am slightly worried as I have friends at Imperial who have said that the other students in the Med school are not so friendly and highly competitive, I dont know how true this is? Imperial also has a good union and sports facilities. Barts has more of a history and people have suggested it is friendlier and more sociable. It is also in a nicer area (I think east London may have more going on than West London, more of a community feel, and is closer to central London plus rent is likely to be cheaper) I would reckon the Imperial students wouldnt be overly competitive and would care more about working for themselves than to compete. So I am in a dilemma, I really love both medical schools, of course I will visit them both but if people have any more advice please tell me your experiences at either med school!
I realise I am incredibly lucky and I know there is no wrong choice with those med schools I just want to find the place that is most compatible for me and will be an environment that will be enjoyable to study in as well give support and help me progress to the area I want to specialise in.
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Of course the Imperial GEP course is less established than the Barts one which could be a worry.
This upcoming year is the first Imperial GEP year to my knowledge. One thing to consider is the Bart's GEP was very controversial 6 or 7 years ago when it first started, not only in its application process but thereafter for a few years in its management of students through the course. It seemed to be a bit of a hashed job with an unclear structure. The GEP program now is thankfully nothing resembling that. Take from that what you will as it is no certainty that Imperial GEP will run smoothly in its inaugural year although in all likelihood it will be fine.

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Imperial has the Wellcome trust centre for tropical disease research which is what I eventually want to specialise in although Barts has a catchment area with more people who are likely to have tropical diseases and therefore I would get more experience.
Does this mean you want to undertake research at uni? Bart's is very good at taking such keen students into labs although you will still have to apply for research grants as you would at Imperial. I do know a lot about research and will say that the techniques and so forth you accumulate through uni are more important than the area you later want to specialize in 6 years or so down the line. They are transferable skills. You can always undertake a summer program at any London uni if you so wish.

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The Imperial and Barts hospitals are all top-class and they are both very highly rated med schools. I am slightly worried as I have friends at Imperial who have said that the other students in the Med school are not so friendly and highly competitive.
To be honest you get such pockets of students in all medical schools. Although I think it is less so on the GEP course with people having had a wider set of life experiences. I would hazard a guess and say the community of Bart's GEP's and Imperial GEP's might be similar (not for the undergrad program perhaps) but I know for a fact that the Bart's GEP's have a good community feel and looking out for each other style.

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Imperial also has a good union and sports facilities.
Imperial has a better union... it just doesnt have the right kind of people to make use of it I jest! Imperial also has great sports facilities. Bart's has good sports facilities and a great devotion to sports as well.

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Barts has more of a history and people have suggested it is friendlier and more sociable.
In all fairness given the Imperial merger was 1980-ish it also has a great history. I think the consensus would be that Bart's is more friendly and sociable. But like I said I don't think this will be too much of an issue within your course anyway unless you plan on socializing alot outside of it. And even then with such generalizations it is a percentages game where you are gonna get small but noticeable deviations but not a new species of human being altogether (although some may argue differently as it is Imperial we are talking about!).

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It is also in a nicer area (I think east London may have more going on than West London, more of a community feel, and is closer to central London plus rent is likely to be cheaper)
I have to severely disagree with you there. My sister is at Imperial and Kensington and Harrods etc are a stones throw away!! But ok its upmarket, expensive and less 'studenty'.

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I just want to find the place that is most compatible for me and will be an environment that will be enjoyable to study in as well give support and help me progress to the area I want to specialise in.
Can I also just say at this point that I don't like the global direction Imperial is going in, its non-student centered approach and the ethos of its megalomaniac dollar eyed rector! (nothing really to do with your post by the way... just general politics!)
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Old 29-04-2008, 12:32 AM   #3 (permalink)
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i actually feel strongly about this. you can prob see from my sig i'd choose barts. but actually i would never have looked at Imperial. i was actually at the open day (when i knew no better!) for the unveiling of the GEP course. the staff were totally unapproachable, the students were plain snobby, and believe me i went in with an open mind. some stereotypes are true. i have a friend in the 4 th year 5 yr.programme and he went from kind and shy, to competitive, bullyish and tunnel-visioned.

but enough of the heresay, on to the hard facts. you have done your research you say, so you'll know that Imperial are really looking for doctors/researchers. they said at the open day you could still be a "standard" (i.e. 'mediocre') doctor if you wanted, but they were looking to create people not to go into clinical practise, but to be researchers. i have never heard anything so ridiculous in my life. if you want to be a clinical researcher, why not do another course rather than take the place of a person who really wants to be a doctor? i admire researchers, they contribute alot to how people like me will be delivering healthcare, but the two are separate entities.

Get your priorities straight. Are your aspiration patient-based? if so, come to barts. if they are career-progression and research-based, go to Imperial and they will cater for you perfectly. please forgive the overheated tone. you sound really nice and i'd love to see you at barts! you coming to the open day on may 28th? hope to see you there. i'm Jamal by the way...you?
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Old 29-04-2008, 01:13 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Imperial are really looking for doctors/researchers. they said at the open day you could still be a "standard" (i.e. 'mediocre') doctor if you wanted,
This has always been Oxbridge's motto too so it comes as no surprise that Imperial want to pursue this line and play 'catch up' and build their scores. Its a shame as their general and clinical teaching is something to be proud of in its own right.

And fortunately or unfortunately, Bart's is surreptitiously trying to pursue this line to some degree too. Also trying not to be the poor brother of any of the London colleges research or league table ranking wise. There has been a steady increase in trying to amalgamate the research side of Bart's with the teaching side. Of course the best researchers do not make the best student centered lecturers and nor do 'better' research and funding make for better quality medical schools although this seems to be the line they are pursuing. I have heard this straight from those in charge of school policies. Secondary to this, they want to increase the grade requirements of A-Level students to cope with the new syllabus in future delivered by these 'wonderful' clinician researchers. Ambition is good sometimes but it remain to be seen how the core strengths of the Bart's medical curricula remain several years down the line.

I must stress however that this is a long term project at Bart's and wont be affecting new students radically over the next 4 years I suspect.
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